Question about Helm of the Host interaction between flip and double faced cards.
Asked by Ouroboros_47 5 years ago
So let's say I equip Helm of the Host to Ormendahl, Profane Prince does helm copy it as the prince or as Westvale Abbey Flip?
Second is what about a flip card like Shidako, Broodmistress does it copy as the broodmistress or as Orochi Eggwatcher if it was attached while as the broodmistress? What if it was originally on the eggwatcher but the eggwatcher was flipped?
Caerwyn says... Accepted answer #1
Question 1: Helm of the Host will copy Ormendahl, Profane Prince.
Rule 706.8: When copying a double-faced permanent, a face-up meld card, or a melded permanent, only the copiable values of the face that’s currently up are copied. (See rule 711, “Double-Faced Cards,” and rule 712, “Meld Cards.”)
Question 2: You get an unflipped version of the permanent. The status of being flipped is not a "copiable value" defined by Rule 706.2.
This rule creates some interesting implications. Hypothetically, let's say there's a flip card that's the opposite of Homura, Human Ascendant--it starts as an enchantment, and becomes a creature. You could equip Helm of the Host to the creature (the flipped version), but the token that's created will be the enchantment.
Since flip cards are unlikely to return, we will probably never see this specific rule irregularity. However, it does can occur with planeswalkers like Gideon of the Trials--if you equip the Helm to Gideon when transformed, you get a planeswalker token.
November 15, 2018 12:15 a.m. Edited.