Whip of Erebos and Sacrifice
Asked by SpaderAce 11 years ago
Let's say I have Whip of Erebos out and bring back Underworld Cerberus , can i sacrifice that Underworld Cerberus using Cartel Aristocrat , for example, and would his die effect still trigger? Because he's dying before being exiled?
scorchedskiddie says... #2
To expand on that a little more. You can look at it like this. If a creature would go to a graveyard (damage,sac,destroy,etc.) and not into an exile zone (Path to Exile ,Journey to Nowhere ) then the creature will have died and any effects would happen
March 20, 2014 10:43 a.m.
scorchedskiddie But the problem is that whip's replacement effect affects the sacrifice. the whip reads as: "... If it would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else. ..." So no, the die effect would not trigger, since Underworld Cerberus
is not going to the graveyard, it's going to exile.
Because Obzedat, Ghost Council and AEtherling go to exile, the whip's effect is satisfied and their own abilities bring them back from exile. Which is why they synergize so good with the whip.
March 20, 2014 10:51 a.m.
But isn't he technically dying still? "If it would die, exile instead of putting it in the graveyard", isn't it still dying? I'll probably ask my judge tomorrow at FNM anyways, but I can accept if it actually doesn't work
March 20, 2014 11:21 a.m.
harrydemon117 says... Accepted answer #5
gufymike is correct. Dies = "moves from battlefield to graveyard zone". Since the replacement effect of Whip of Erebos replaces ANY zone movement other than exile, when you sac the Underworld Cerberus it gets exiled and thus does not meet the "go to graveyard" condition of it dying.
March 20, 2014 11:24 a.m.
So, NO, it's die trigger would not happen. scorchedskiddie says completely the opposite of what would happen, though his 2nd and 3rd posts are correct.
March 20, 2014 2:25 p.m.
think of it this way, it says "if it would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else", or in other words if that creature is gonna leave the battlefield don't do it and make sure it's sent to exile. So in the case of the creature dying the effect sees it and says "instead of dying, send it to exile". As you can see it's replacing the act of dying with something else which is why the death trigger doesn't happen even though it was about "die" before that effect took over.
March 20, 2014 4:22 p.m.
I'm curious as to why nobody else has pointed this out... but I don't think there is a way to use Whip of Erebos on the Underworld Cerberus in the first place.
A creature has to be in the graveyard to be a valid target for the whip's ability... and the Cerberus will exile upon death, so it will never be found in the graveyard. On top of that, the Whip's ability can only be used as a sorcery, so you can't try to reanimate Cerberus at instant speed shenanigans, either.
Am I missing something?
March 20, 2014 5:25 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #11
The key thing here is that if an event gets replaced (replacement effects use the words "as", "with", "instead", or "prevent" in the text) then it never happens. The replacement event happens instead.
March 20, 2014 5:32 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #12
@sewellius: It's pretty easy to get Underworld Cerberus into the graveyard from the hand or library.
March 20, 2014 5:34 p.m.
sewellius, yes you sort of are. If it gets milled into the graveyard, then the whip will work on it. See: I SEE DEAD PEOPLE
March 20, 2014 5:35 p.m.
Ah thanks, right. Totally forgot about skipping the battlefield altogether.
scorchedskiddie says... #1
Yes, His die effect would trigger
March 20, 2014 10:34 a.m.