When Metamorph werewolf, does it have ability to flip?
Asked by mikedh1 13 years ago
When you Phyrexian Metamorph copy a transformed, flipped werewolf, can it be flipped back to the untransformed, unflipped side of the transformed, flipped werewolf, its copying, when 2 spells, are cast during the same turn?
Also when Metamorph copy a unflipped werewolf, can it be flipped by either no spells cast, or moonmist?
This came up in a game, during a playtest game, against someone's FNM deck. He said that when I casted Moonmist, he got to flip his metamorph copy of one of my werewolves.
Also, I am thinking about putting a Metamorph, in my werewolf deck, and whether I add it to my deck, will depend on how it works, flip, or no flip wise.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Mike
Phyrexian Metamorph can't flip if it's copying a werewolf:
701.25a Only permanents represented by double-faced cards can transform. (See rule 711, "Double-Faced Cards.") If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform any permanent that isn't represented by a double-faced card, nothing happens.
March 3, 2012 9:12 p.m.
Taken from an answer by Bingbing from a couple days ago:
The copy will never be able to flip. Here's the ruling, look at the example - it's enlightening:
711.3. Except for determining whether or not a permanent can transform, a spell, ability, effect, or rule that needs information about a double-faced permanent sees only the information given by the face that's currently up.Example: A Clone enters the battlefield as a copy of Wildblood Pack (the back face of a double-faced card). The Clone will be a copy of the Wildblood Pack. Because the Clone is itself not a double-faced card, it can't transform.
March 3, 2012 9:16 p.m.
Sorry didn't mean to ask a similar question, that had already been asked, answered. I didnt see any similar questions, so that's why I asked.
Thanks for answering the question.
So if I copy , then it can't be flipped back.
Copying a Huntmaster, a flipped Daybreak Ranger, and a flipped Mayor, is awesome then.
Copying a unflipped Mayor, unflipped Daybreak Ranger, unflipped Wolfbitten Captive, not as great then.
Could end up being a double edged sword, then in a werewolf deck, but if used carefully, right, then still has amazing, incredible value.
Thanks
March 3, 2012 9:35 p.m.
Well you can just use it to kill an opposing Geist of Saint Traft or Thrun, the Last Troll , which you probably don't have any good answers for. Or you can copy a Sword of War and Peace and just win the game off that. I think it's still worthy of some testing.
March 3, 2012 9:42 p.m.
Not to mention the turns 3,4,5,6,7 Shape Anew drop, that got foe a Blightsteel, that kept my werewolf deck from going 5-1 vs the field at 60 player FNM, instead of 4-2 vs the field.
Also would have been helpful vs the Wolf Run deck that I beat 2-1.
March 3, 2012 9:50 p.m.
Cards like Blightsteel Colossus are why I always mainboard Revoke Existence. Permanent removal of whatever artifact/enchantment is causing my grief? Yes please.
March 4, 2012 1:54 a.m.
Yes thats nice, but I am not running white, I am running Red,Green werewolves. So the only answers for Blightsteel andother similar nasty stuff, is to either sideboard a [traitorous Blood]], or to main deck Metamorph.
Since I won't sideboard Traitorous blood, since most don't play Shape Anew, Blightsteel type decks, the only thing for me to do is maindeck metamorph.
Now if I was running white, then I would sideboard the Revokes over naturalizes, since naturalizes dont work on things like Blightsteels.
permhole96 says... #1
yes, it comes into the battlefield as a copy of the creature which states when two spells are cast, flip it. the same goes for if you copy a unflipped. Its exactly the same creature with all the same ablilities, so yes, it can
March 3, 2012 9:12 p.m.