Skyfire Kirin and The lack of haste
Asked by Sismir 6 years ago
If i use The triggered abillity of Skyfire Kirin and i steal a creature. Does it get summoning sicknes because i did not controll it at The start of my turn?
Sousaphonist says... #2
Summoning Sickness is a creature-specific condition which goes away when the creature's controller experiences an Upkeep Step, regardless of who cast it. Skyfire Kirin takes control of a creature, but it never leaves the battlefield.
If the creature you target with Skyfire Kirin 's ability had already lost Summoning Sickness, you gaining control of it will not cause it to regain it.
January 16, 2019 8:24 a.m.
Incorrect, Sousaphonist.
Summoning sickness refers to the rule that a creature cannot attack or use activated abilities with the or symbol in their cost if it hasn't been continuously controlled by a player since the beginning of that player's most recent turn. (See rule 302.6)
So say you cast Llanowar Elves on turn one. It has summoning sickness because you haven't controlled it since the start of your turn (beginning of the untap step). Three turns later, I use Act of Treason to take control of it during my first main phase. Now I control it. I haven't controlled it since the start of my untap step, so normally it would have summoning sickness, but Act of Treason gives it haste. I can use Elves' mana ability or attack with it this turn.
Now let's say that on the next turn, I steal it again, but this time with Skyfire Kirin 's ability. Again, I haven't controlled the creature since the start of my untap step, but unfortunately in this case, Kirin doesn't give the Elves haste. I can't actually use its mana ability or attack with it this turn unless I've got something else to give it haste.
A creature will keep regaining summoning sickness if control of it keeps getting interrupted. This could be control-changing effects like the above, but it also includes zone-changing effects (such as flickering with Ghostly Flicker ). This is why so many short-term control-changing effects (usually in red) add haste, so you can use it before you hand it back to its previous controller. Skyfire Kirin is an odd one out.
January 16, 2019 12:01 p.m.
Sousaphonist says... #4
So I just checked with a rules judge, Kogarashi...and it turns out you're right.
I've never heard it described that way and it makes no sense, but I concede the point.
Kogarashi says... #1
Correct, the stolen creatures would have summoning sickness unless they have haste or you have another effect on the battlefield giving them haste (such as Temur Ascendancy or Torch Courier ).
January 11, 2019 7:06 p.m.