Sacrifice Protection / Upkeep trigger order / Oblivion Ring - Multiple Questions
Asked by ledzeppole 6 years ago
I played a 3-way game the other night and the three of us havent played in a year or so, so we were rusty. There was a few issues that came out that we probably normally would have been able to figure out but if anyone can help I would be super grateful. I have my own opinions on certain things but would like confirmation.
Note: I don't recall the original cards but these should do as a fine example, if not greater.
Question 1: Upkeep trigger order, pt 1
It is my turn. My opponent controls Smokestack, I control Assemble the Legion. Which upkeep ability triggers first?
My understanding: Since it is my turn I choose which order all of the upkeep triggers happen, allowing me to create a token(s) first and then allow Smokestack to do its business.
Question 2: Upkeep trigger order, pt 2
It is my turn. I control Smokestack, can an opponent cast an instant to destroy (or any other effect - exile, put in hand/library, etc.) Smokestack before another counter is created?
My understanding: Upkeep triggers must happen before any player can cast a spell or use an ability - unless the ability itself is triggered by an effect of an upkeep trigger.
Question 3: Upkeep and Protection
It is my turn. I control Anowon, the Ruin Sage. Can an opponent cast Feat of Resistance on a creature (chooses black), and then choose that creature that is protected from black to sacrifice effectively negating the sacrifice?
My understanding: The player is not protected from black and must choose a valid target. Regardless, the creature is protected from black but the player is not thus the protection is moot.
Question 4: Oblivion Ring on Oblivion Ring
It is my opponents turn. My opponent casts Oblivion Ring on my Anowon, the Ruin Sage. Their turn ends. It is my turn. I cast Oblivion Ring on my opponents Oblivion Ring and my creature returns to the battlefield. My turn ends. My opponent destroys my Oblivion Ring. What happens to my creature and my opponents Oblivion Ring?
Extra credit: What happens when a third Oblivion Ring is place on the second and so on?
My understanding: My opponents Oblivion Ring reenters the battlefield and they have the opportunity to choose a new or same target for it. My creature also reenters the battlefield simultaneously, though what is confusing is whether or not the target for the ring is chosen before or after my creature enters the battlefield.
Extra credit understanding: Pray this never happens :p
Question 1:
Your opponent's Smokestack will resolve first.
Your ability goes on the stack first, as you are the active player. Your opponent's would go on the stack second. Because his went on the stack second, it would resolve first. You would have to sacrifice permanents before you generate new ones.
Question 2:
You put the adding a counter trigger on the stack. They can respond and cast a removal spell. Your trigger will then fail, as it can no longer be completed.
Question 3:
Protection prohibits the following, which can be remembered by D.E.B.T.:
D = Damage E = Enchanted, Equipped, or Fortified B = Blocked T = Targeted
Anowon, the Ruin Sage does none of the above, so protection will not prevent his ability.
Question 4:
Your creature remains on the battlefield. Oblivion Ring enters the battlefield, and they may again choose a permanent--it need not be the original permanent they exiled.
March 1, 2018 9:37 p.m. Edited.
To build on pskinn01's last point, let's look at a different card: Banishing Light.
That looks pretty similar to Oblivion Ring, does it not? You exile something until the permanent leaves the battlefield. However, because it is only one single ability, as opposed to Oblivion Ring's two, you cannot abuse the stack to permanently exile a creature by destroying Banishing Light before its first ability resolves.
Magic is fascinating like that.
pskinn01 says... #1
Triggers go on stack in active player first then in turn sequence. So his would resolve first.
Triggers go on stack, then everyone gets a chance to cast spells/use abilities.
Anowan does not target, so protection doesn't help.
Your creature reentered, when you cast o ring and its etb ability resolved.. So their o-ring can target your creature. And if they somehow came into play, they can still choose your creature, as etb abilities targets are chosen when the ability goes on the stack.
Also with o-ring, you can have its first ability go on stack targeting a permanent. Then destroy the o-ring. The o-ring would attempt to return the permanent before it is exiled. So what ever you targeted originally would stay exiled.
March 1, 2018 9:35 p.m.