VorpalAuroch says... #2
No and no.
Snow is a supertype, like Legendary (and World). Arcane is a subtype. Neither is a type, so neither boosts your Tarmogoyf.
June 23, 2011 11:26 p.m.
Justarsaus says... Accepted answer #3
i was wrong.... from the rules
- Card Types
- General
300.2. Some objects have more than one card type (for example, an artifact creature). Such objects combine the aspects of each of those card types, and are subject to spells and abilities that affect either or all of those card types.
300.2a An object that's both a land and another card type (for example, an artifact land) can only be played as a land. It can't be cast as a spell.
300.2b Each tribal card has another card type. Casting and resolving a tribal card follow the rules for casting and resolving a card of the other card type.
June 23, 2011 11:41 p.m.
mozerdozer says... #4
Why is tribal a type, but not snow and legendary, they have similar aspects?
June 23, 2011 11:58 p.m.
VorpalAuroch says... #6
The rules would have had to be changed in really odd ways with seriously problematic side-effects for Tribal to be a supertype. IIRC, the definition of, say an "instant type" (currently only Arcane and Trap) would also have to include all creature types, in every context, and some other problems.
So, instead, it was made a normal type, for which the rules are easy, and then named and templated as though it were a supertype.
June 24, 2011 1:13 a.m.
emblasochist says... #7
Tribal is kinda dumb anyway though... It has been neat in some cases, but generally could have been left out of the game without much of a loss. Hell, Tarmogoyf is the best card that has that word on its rules text. Not that Tarmogoyf is BAD, per se, but it is weird...
June 24, 2011 3:59 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
Tribal is a card type because of what needed to be done to allow non-creature cards to have creature types when Lorwyn was designed. Only card types (snow and legendary are supertypes) can have subtypes, and the different card types can't share subtypes with each other (for example, "Arcane" isn't a valid creature type, and "Goblin" isn't a valid land type).
So if you want to give a card a creature subtype without it being a creature, you have to give it some other type that also happens to use the creature subtypes. The tribal card type was invented to have the same list of subtypes as the creature card type, so now you can use it to put creature subtypes on enchantments (Bitterblossom ), artifacts (Cloak and Dagger ), instants (Tarfire ), anything really.
June 24, 2011 9:13 a.m.
I'm pulling this from magiccards.info: 5/1/2007: Tarmogoyf counts card types, not cards. If the only card in all graveyards is a single artifact creature, Tarmogoyf will be 2/3. If the only cards in all graveyards are ten artifact creatures, Tarmogoyf will still be 2/3.
If I'm understanding this properly artifact creature, is just a subtype of an artifcat
June 24, 2011 3:08 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #10
No, Artifact is a card type, and Creature is also a card type. An Artifact Creature has 2 different card types on the same card. That's why Tarmogoyf 's P/T is set to 2/3 in the example you quote.
Subtypes are the words that come after the dash in a card's type line. "Equipment" is an Artifact subtype (the only one I can think of). "Aura" and "Shrine" are a couple of Enchantment subtypes. "Arcane" is an Instant subtype, and also a Sorcery subtype. "Forest", "Island", "Locus", etc. are some Land subtypes. "Goblin", "Wizard", "Human", etc. are some Creature subtypes (the Tribal type has the same list of subtypes as Creature). "Jace", "Ajani", "Liliana", etc. are some of the Planeswalker subtypes.
Artifact Creature isn't the only combination of card types that show up together, but other combinations are rare. There was a cycle of 6 Artifact Lands printed in the original Mirrodin block, and no more have been printed since then. Lorwyn block had several Tribal (Other Type) cards, and no more have been printed since then. Future Sight had exactly one Enchantment Creature and exactly one Land Creature, and no more of either have been printed since then.
June 24, 2011 4:54 p.m.
@Rhadamanthus - Future Sight printed a an Artifact - Fortification (Darksteel Garrison ), which I believe is the only other subtype for pure artifacts.
June 25, 2011 12:30 p.m.
Justarsaus says... #12
not to be a dick but tribal appeared in both rise of the eldrazi (ie All Is Dust ) and in future sighht with Bound in Silence
June 25, 2011 3:50 p.m.
So based off everything posted Tarmogoyf maxed*** out would be a 9/10 for a CMC of 2
That card is not worth $50 IMO
***Based off the text from the card
June 25, 2011 4:58 p.m.
right, because an 8/9 for 2 isn't good at all, or anything. i have decks full of those...
June 26, 2011 1:25 p.m.
Would you pay 45-50 for a Vengevine ? Hell Big E and Iona's cost have dropped below 12 each, and they are vastly more powerful and functional, IMO
Yes they are difficult to get out and even more difficult to get rid of, but that's why they are so powerful/viable
June 26, 2011 3:02 p.m.
VV is 4 mana for 4 hasty power, with stupidly easy recursion. Goyf is two mana for something absurdly large that doesn't suck as a topdeck on turn 15. Iona and Emrakul are about three orders of magnitude below Vengevine, and more like five below Goyf. The only reason Iona is more than a $3 mythic is because it's an awesome tool for Reanimator, and Emrakul is completely nonviable in any format faster than the current Standard.
June 26, 2011 5:26 p.m.
Justarsaus says... #19
emmy was pretty good in EDH..... before it got banned lol
June 26, 2011 11:14 p.m.
Tolarian Academy was the problem, not the big man himself. Ah well.
Justarsaus says... #1
snow yes because it is a card type... arcane no because it is a subtype
June 23, 2011 10:56 p.m.