Interaction between my commander and Colfenor's Urn?
Asked by SilencedDax 2 years ago
Hiii!!
I hope this is the correct forum to ask this question.
Colfenor's Urn says: "Whenever a creature with toughness 4 or greater is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, you may exile it.
At the beginning of the end step, if three or more cards have been exiled with Colfenor's Urn, sacrifice it. If you do, return those cards to the battlefield under their owner's control."
The edh rules says: "If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that card was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone"
So...when my commander dies, Colfenor's Urn can exile it, count as 1 and then I can return it to the command zone.
If this happens 3 times or to other 4+ thoughness creatures, the last ability of Colfenor's Urn will trigger and could I bring back my commander from the command zone?
Thank you and have fun!
SynergyBuild says... Accepted answer #2
This works the way you want it to, and will trigger on each commander death as explained.
The ruling below is most relevant.
"10/1/2007 The second ability checks how many creatures have been exiled with Colfenor’s Urn over the course of the entire game."
Grubbernaut This was changed June 8th:
https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/rules-change-dies-triggers-will-work-for-commanders/
July 25, 2021 1:40 p.m. Edited.
Grubbernaut says... #3
TIL. So you let it die, hit the yard, let it get exiled, but then have the option to send it back to the CZ, if I'm following right?
That sounds like a cluster. So even if it isn't in exile, this works? What if it's in your hand by the time Urn's trigger resolves, or the yard?
My brain hurts.
July 25, 2021 2 p.m.
SilencedDax says... #4
Thanks all and great thanks to SynergyBuild!
Yes Grubbernaut, it dies, then exiles, then when hit exile, before next time state-based actions check you send it to the Command Zone, and still count as 1 for the urn. At the time you have 3 creatures exiled you can put those creatures in play from anywhere into play (youtr hand, CZ, exile)
It seems a pretty good way to cheat your commander's tax for any 4 butt commander
July 25, 2021 2:26 p.m.
DrukenReaps says... #5
This is interesting... Could work for a few of my decks. From the wording I think it actually works. Should be decent for a number of different decks but not game breaking. Weird interactions are fun!
July 25, 2021 2:40 p.m.
If the cards have left the exile, they are new objects that cannot be located by Colfenor's Urn . They will not be returned to the battlefield.
July 27, 2021 12:52 p.m.
Grubbernaut says... #7
Neotrup That's what I was wondering, too. The new ruling mentioned confuses the crap out of me.
July 27, 2021 1:19 p.m.
Let's say my commander gets exiled by Colfenor's Urn , and I choose not to return it to the command zone. I then shuffle it into my library with Riftsweeper . Will I be able to search my library for my commander?
I believe the answer is no, going off Neotrup's comment, since it left the exile zone and entered a non-visible zone. It will still have counted for the three-count for the Urn.
July 27, 2021 1:35 p.m.
SilencedDax says... #9
Thanks for the comments!
So do you think that the text: "If you do, return those cards to the battlefield under their owner's control." It means implicitly "return from the exile"?
because in that case there is no doubt they wont return from another zone. If not, maybe they'll do
Grubbernaut says... #1
Unless this one is different, choosing the command zone is considered a replacement effect, meaning the card was never exiled by the Urn and therefore won't count towards it.
July 25, 2021 1:39 p.m.