If a flipwalker or any other double-faced creature card is manifested, does is come into play transformed?

Asked by Omniscience_is_life 3 years ago

I was recently in a position where my Nicol Bolas, the Ravager  Flip was manifested, and I had no idea what to do. Does the "face down" part of the manifest mechanic's text refer to the physical card's back, or just an arbitrary way to keep your opponents from seeing it?

sergiodelrio says... Accepted answer #1

Nope. Think of MTG cards having 3 sides, rules-wise, rather than 2.

1) The face = front side

2) The face-down = back-side

3) The transformed side = second front side

A transformed card (3) can be turned face down (2) separately. A face down (2) card being turned face up will have state 1)

August 19, 2020 5:28 a.m. Edited.

Neotrup says... #2

A small addendum, double face and meld cards can't be 'turned' face down by things like Ixidron, but they can still be manifested by things like Scroll of Fate, because the game doesn't realize their double face cards at that point.

August 19, 2020 5:54 p.m.

Neotrup can you elaborate on that first part, please? In using the Ixidron example, would Hanweir Garrison just not flip, or would it go into 'state 2' as sergiodelrio explained?

August 19, 2020 6:05 p.m.

sergiodelrio says... #4

He's right, I rechecked. If an effect tries to turn a transformed card (3) face down (2), nothing happens. Everything else I said holds up tho. Sorry for the confusion

August 20, 2020 1:58 a.m.

Completely fine. I hardly comprehend any of this anyway :)

August 20, 2020 1:09 p.m.

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