Effects that tap permanents
Asked by Fizzz 11 years ago
Hello,
With summoning sickness, you cannot tap a creature that just entered the battlefield unless it gains/has haste. What happens if I play X vampire, and then activate the ability of Captivating Vampire to tap 4 other vampires and the one I just played. Could I do that?
What happens with Icy Manipulator if I try to tap my opponent's creature that just entered the field? Would the creature become tapped, or summoning sickness would prevent me from tapping the dude?
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #2
Summoning sickness means two things for a creature:
- This creature can't attack.
- Activated abilities of this creature with the tap or untap symbol in their activation costs cannot be activated.
Because Captivating Vampire 's ability doesn't have a tap symbol, Captivating Vampire can be tapped regardless of whether it has summoning sickness. Even if it did, the other Vampires could be tapped anyway because the tap symbol wouldn't be on them.
Summoning sickness has nothing to do with effects tapping permanents. You can't activate Icy Manipulator 's ability targeting something that isn't a permanent, so you need to wait until the creature spell resolves and becomes a permanent. It will enter the field, and the active player will gain priority (after SBA checks). Assuming the creature was cast normally (i.e. sorcery speed on your opponent's turn), you won't get priority until your opponent passes it to you either to resolve something or to advance to the next step or phase. This is the time at which you can activate Icy Manipulator 's ability.
August 20, 2013 11:20 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #3
What summoning sickness does is prevent a creature from either being declared as an attacker or activating one of its abilities that has the Tap symbol (or Untap symbol) in the cost.
Using a summoning-sick vampire to help activate Captivating Vampire is fine because there's no Tap symbol in the cost of the ability. For this reason, it's also okay to tap Captivating Vampire to help activate his own ability when he's still summoning sick.
Using an Icy Manipulator to tap a summoning-sick creature is fine because the creature isn't activating any abilities, it's being tapped by some other effect.
Trying to activate the ability of a summoning-sick Arbor Elf to untap a Forest is not okay because the ability has the Tap symbol in its cost.
August 20, 2013 11:20 a.m.
so even though a card like Llanowar Elves has to wait a turn to use it's ability, a creature like Heritage Druid doesn't have to wait a turn, and the creatures you tap to it don't have to wait a turn.
Sam_I_am says... #1
Yes, you can tap creatures that have just came into play.
You just can't tap creatures that use the tap symbol
August 20, 2013 11:19 a.m.