Cauldron haze and what it gives
Asked by Terramune 13 years ago
If say I play a Cauldron Haze and on the field I have a Melira, Sylvok Outcast with a visera-seer on the field, can I basically keep sacing seer with it's own effect over and over until I reform my deck to exactly how I want it in a game?
The cards work as they work. And so there will be no counters on the creature that died and so you can keep doing this ability
January 1, 2012 11:09 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #3
No, you may not.
When a permanent leaves the battlefield, it will return as a NEW permanent with no record of any previous existences. Viscera Seer would return as a normal creature without persist.
8/1/2008: If a nontoken creature that gains persist this way is put into a graveyard, that card will be returned to the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter on it. However, because it's a new object with no relation to its previous existence, that permanent will not have persist.
January 1, 2012 12:06 p.m.
Ah your right, the counters are not put on em they are just there. My bad ty Epochalyptik =]
January 1, 2012 12:42 p.m.
Or am i wrong again?what if the couldron was a Cauldron of Souls ? could u do it each turn or are the counters just on the creature?
January 1, 2012 12:44 p.m.
KorApprentice says... #6
It's the same principle, the first time the creature goes to the graveyard and comes back, it will no longer have persist. This does however work if the creature you are sacrificing has persist already, like Safehold Elite . But you will not be able to stack your deck as you please, you can only rotate your deck because you are scrying once each time.
January 1, 2012 12:52 p.m.
Forgot it was just scary 1, but the real question was weither or not persist would last so thx!
January 1, 2012 12:55 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
The creature doesn't get the counter because of Melira, Sylvok Outcast . Her effect prevents persist's -1/-1 counters from being put onto any persisting creatures you control.
I was indicating that the creature will be returned to the battlefield, but it will no longer have persist because it is treated as a new permanent.
You can scry once, then persist will bring the Viscera Seer back. If you scry again, Seer will remain in the graveyard because it no longer has persist.
January 1, 2012 12:56 p.m.
TassleMagik says... #9
Epochalyptik is right. If you had a creature who inherently possessed persist, like Puppeteer Clique , this would work. But since you're GIVING a creature persist, which it then loses when it re-enters the battlefield, you cannot continue to reuse the ability. Now, if you had a spell that said something like "Creatures you control have persist", it'd be a different story.
KorApprentice says... #1
Due to the nature of Scrying, you will only end up rotating your library, since you are only Scrying 1 each time.
January 1, 2012 5:11 a.m.