Aegis Angel and the stack.

Asked by IamDylan 13 years ago

Say I played Aegis Angel and chose Ornithopter (card irrelevant) to become indestructible. Then my opponent casts Day of Judgment , will Ornithopter survive because at the time Day of Judgment was cast it was indestructible, or will it die because Aegis Angel died due to day-of-judgement?

spartanwolfej says... #1

It will live, since when Day of Judgment resolves, Ornithopter will have still been indestructible. Same idea with a single Knight Exemplar .

September 27, 2011 9:08 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #2

I assume Day of Judgment was cast the turn after you cast your Aegis Angel , since both are sorcery-speed.

608.2g If an effect requires information from the game (such as the number of creatures on the battlefield), the answer is determined only once, when the effect is applied. If the effect requires information from a specific object, including the source of the ability itself or a target that's become illegal, the effect uses the current information of that object if it's in the public zone it was expected to be in; if it's no longer in that zone, or if the effect has moved it from a public zone to a hidden zone, the effect uses the object's last known information. See rule 112.7a. If an ability states that an object does something, it's the object as it existsor as it most recently existedthat does it, not the ability.

At the time Day resolves, your Ornithopter will be indestructible. Aegis Angel will die, but Ornithopter will survive because Day destroys all creatures simultaneously. It will not kill Aegis Angel and then wait for Ornithopter to become destructible again before trying to destroy it.

September 27, 2011 9:10 p.m.

IamDylan says... #3

Thank you both.

September 28, 2011 11:43 a.m.

OlafBiggles says... #4

And what happens in the case that Aegis Angel has already left play before its ETB resolved?

Aegis Angel is played, and ETB ability goes on the stack. The angel is then blinked in response using Roon of the Hidden Realm. The LTB effect then goes on the stack and resolves first, then the ETB resolves and gives a creature indestuctible until Aegis Angel has left play. Is the creature indestructible?

Leading on from that question, the same goes for banisher priest. What happens when ETB ability resolves after LTB? Is the creature exiled permanently, exiled and immediately returned, or remain unaffected?

December 18, 2013 2:30 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #5

@OlafBiggles: This question was answered over two years ago. Please just ask a new question next time.

Aegis Angel doesn't have an LTB ability. Its ETB ability has an effect that establishes a duration. When Aegis Angel leaves the battlefield, the effect ends. Nothing triggers. If Aegis Angel leaves the battlefield before the ETB ability resolves, the effect never begins. Same for Banisher Priest .

The interaction you're thinking of only works for separately listed abilities like those of Fiend Hunter and Oblivion Ring .

December 18, 2013 3:49 p.m.

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