Restoration Angel and Whip
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Posted on March 5, 2014, 2:58 p.m. by sickthink
Say I have a Whip of Erebos and activate its ability and bring out a creature from my graveyard. Can I Restoration Angel the creature and the effects of the whip will not make me exile it on my end step because it is technically a new creature? There is a part on the whip that says you have to exile the creature if it were to leave the battlefield for any reason, which the creature is, and then coming back anew or would it not even come back due to the whip wording?
Also, this should be asked in Q&A, not the forums. An admin will probably move it soon.
March 5, 2014 3:04 p.m.
Dragonstar4Life says... #4
You would have to respond to it on the stack, the same way as you would with the Council. Once the whip's exile effect is on the stack at the end phase, you'd respond with the Restoration Angel putting her exile effect on the stack. As the flicker would cause it to become a new creature before the exile effect resolved from the whip, the creature would remain.
March 5, 2014 3:08 p.m.
Dragonstar4Life says... #5
Although gatherer is updated to indicate the exile effect, so...in this case, you wouldn't have to respond in the end step, actually.
March 5, 2014 3:10 p.m.
Nigrescence says... #6
It doesn't have to be on the stack. You can exile with the Angel at any time during your turn. Since it exiles normally, it will return as a new creature forgetting the Whip's effect.
It is completely unnecessary and probably ill-advised to do it while it's on the stack.
March 5, 2014 3:46 p.m.
unholycookies says... #7
If you have the 8 mana, wouldn't it be better to do it on their turn? I mean she has flash and it'd clearly work. Main reason I say do it on their turn is just because it means on your turn you'll have mana to do other stuff or save it to respond to stuff.
Also this can be used to dodge spells right?
March 5, 2014 4:30 p.m.
unholycookies the only problem with that advice is that you can only activate the whip on your turn. "Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery." is the last line of the whip. So for this interaction to work it has to be on the players turn (unless there is Leyline of Anticipation out or what not.
March 5, 2014 4:33 p.m.
maybe leyline wouldn't work... but yeah. the problem is this can only be done at a certain time.
March 5, 2014 4:35 p.m.
Nigrescence says... #11
That is correct, TheHorse, and there is currently no way to make it work at instant speed.
March 5, 2014 4:35 p.m.
unholycookies says... #12
O well.
Also I don't think Leyline of Anticipation would work, since you'd still be stuck at sorcery speed, which I can't think of any card that'd solve the problem of using an ability at instant speed when it's sorcery speed. Creatures and sorcery spells sure. Abilities, I know of none.
kmcree says... #2
From Gatherer: "9/15/2013 If a creature returned to the battlefield with Whip of Erebos would leave the battlefield for any reason, its exiled instead. However, if that creature is already being exiled, then the replacement effect wont apply. If the spell or ability that exiles it later returns it to the battlefield (as Chained to the Rocks might, for example), the creature card will return to the battlefield as a new object with no relation to its previous existence. The effects from Whip of Erebos will no longer apply to it."
So essentially, if you use Restoration Angel on a card you brought back with Whip of Erebos , that card will not remember the whip's effect when it reenters via the angel. You will not have to exile that creature. This also works with creatures like Obzedat, Ghost Council and AEtherling .
March 5, 2014 3:03 p.m.