Niv Mizzet Combo?
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Posted on March 22, 2014, 10:34 a.m. by InnerFlame
I heard something about a niv mizzet, dracogius and Curiosity combo deck that wins instantly almost if you don't mill yourself completely with it. Can somebody run me through this combo?
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #5
It's Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind .
Niv deals one damage when you draw a card, and Curiosity lets you draw a card when the enchanted creature deals damage. Each time one effect resolves, it triggers the other one, resulting in an arbitrarily large loop.
If you want to stop the loop, you simply have to deal Niv's one damage to a non-player target.
March 22, 2014 10:38 a.m.
InnerFlame says... #6
Hmmm okay. I see it now. Is it good? Or is it bad gimmicky?
March 22, 2014 10:40 a.m.
megawurmple says... #7
Wrong Niv-Mizzet. The combo is Curiosity and Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind , not Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius . Basically, you enchant Niv-Mizzet with Curiosity , then tap him, so that you draw a card. This trigger's Niv-Mizzet's ability and causes him to deal one damage to an opponent. You can then draw a card because of Curiosity , which means that Niv-Mizzet deals one damage to an opponent, which lets you draw a card and so on. Basically, you draw as many cards as you want and kill your opponents because of damage.
March 22, 2014 10:40 a.m.
InnerFlame says... #8
Yeah I see. Is it a good combo? Or is it a bad gimmicky combo? And if I ran it, how many of each card should I run?
March 22, 2014 10:42 a.m.
MagicalHacker says... #9
Depends where you want to run it. If you're talking about Commander, using Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind as the commander with the seven different Curiosity s in the deck isn't a bad idea, he wins games. Just remember, you will draw only 80-90 cards, which can only kill two opponents unless everyone is already low... It can be done, but there is a slight amount of risk. :)
March 22, 2014 10:48 a.m.
InnerFlame says... #10
I'm running it in modern. Haven't gotten into standard yet.
March 22, 2014 10:53 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #12
Being that I'm not as invested into the rules of EDH, and hence don't really know how this mechanic works at all...
If he's your commander, wouldn't Niv-'s damage from his ability count as commander damage? If so, you don't really need to worry about how many cards you can draw unless there's like 5 or more people.
Or is commander damage only applicable to combat?
March 22, 2014 11:11 a.m.
ThatBlueMage: Commander damage is, in fact, only combat damage.
March 22, 2014 11:12 a.m.
Just as an example of a Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind EDH deck, check out First Annual Izzet Guild Picnic It is a budget build, but it is rather efficient at drawing cards even without the Curiosity combo (which I included, just for kicks!) Play test it, if you want, let me know what you think...
As for the combo itself, just be careful, usually when I drop Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind I become priority target numero uno..... as he can get a fair share of hate....
anyway, good luck and looking forward to seeing what you come up with...
March 22, 2014 11:21 a.m.
megawurmple says... #15
If you're worried about decking yourself in EDH, run an Elixir of Immortality . At some point in your combo you'll draw the Elixir, so when you have drawn enough cards, end the turn and discard them, then shuffle them into your library again, then rinse and repeat.
March 22, 2014 11:27 a.m.
Or run Laboratory Maniac . you win because you decked your self... LOL!
March 22, 2014 11:32 a.m.
MagicalHacker says... #17
Rather than Elixir of Immortality , you can use Aquamoeba and one of the Eldrazis that shuffle back in (Kozilek or Ulamog). It's one less mana and you can continue the combo in that turn since you don't have to wait for the cleanup step.
March 22, 2014 11:32 a.m.
MagicalHacker says... #18
With Laboratory Maniac , you would need a way to empty the stack and then cast it for three mana and then draw a card again. Gitaxian Probe would let you draw, but having two cards and a 3-mana win con is less then having two cards and a 2-mana win con (the one i mentioned in post 16).
I apologize if it seems like I'm being a douchebag, I honestly am not trying to be...
March 22, 2014 11:35 a.m.
or, with LM, play it, wait a turn, then pop off the combo..... patience is not necessarily a bad thing....
March 22, 2014 11:40 a.m.
MagicalHacker says... #20
Well, in this case, it can be. Giving your opponent the chance to play a sorcery-speed spell on their turn that will get rid of LM can give them the win instead... :'(
March 22, 2014 11:42 a.m.
true, I was just speaking in General... I understand removal is a big issue, but let's just say your opponent, doesn't kill it off, maybe they are saving that kill spell for something bigger? Idk, I am just playing devil's advocate....
GoldGhost012 says... #2
It's actually Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind .
March 22, 2014 10:36 a.m.