Transforming Elusive Tormentor Flip
Asked by tristen21 7 years ago
I'm kinda confused with with the rulings for Elusive Tormentor Flip. My actual plan in using Elusive is while attacking I will use it's transform ability, then pay the mana cost to transform it back since it can't be blocked before damage. That way it's an automatic 4 damage.But it says here http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/shadows-over-innistrad-mechanics
it can't be transformed back again.
oh I see, so I can discard multiple cards again when it transformed back to Elusive Tormentor Flip but those discards will never trigger it to transform to Insidious Mist Flip back again? but i still have to pay a Swamp everytime a discard a card?
June 3, 2016 11:37 p.m.
I can activate Elusive Tormentor Flip's ability multiple times by paying Swamps and Discarding cards and those will be on stack but it will only transform once to Insidious Mist Flip
If this is much correct?
June 3, 2016 11:54 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #4
You can activate the ability in response to itself as many time as you can pay the cost. However, the card will only go through the paid transformation effect once. It won't "untransform and then "retransform" for each activation.
June 4, 2016 12:26 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #5
A few things, Swamps are lands. You play lands and activate their abilities, usually to add mana to your mana pool. 
is black mana. Mana is spent to pay for spells and abilities.
You can transform a double-faced card as many times as you are able to pay for it to transform back and forth. What you can't do is flip a DFC multiple times off of the same ability without letting the ability resolve first. There were ways to abuse DFC in the past by transforming them multiple times off of one side's ability.
701.25f If an activated or triggered ability of a permanent that isnt a delayed triggered ability of that permanent tries to transform it, the permanent transforms only if it hasnt transformed since the ability was put onto the stack. If a delayed triggered ability of a permanent tries to transform that permanent, the permanent transforms only if it hasnt transformed since that delayed triggered ability was created. In either case, if the permanent has already transformed, the instruction to transform is ignored.
merrowMania says... #1
The link is saying that if you activate Elusive Tormentor Flip in response to itself (i.e. discard two cards to it), it will only transform once to Insidious Mist Flip. Your plan still works.
June 3, 2016 11:20 p.m. Edited.