How do Neheb, the Worthy and Abyssal Nocturnus Interact?
Asked by LittleBlueHero 6 years ago
Building a Neheb, the Worthy deck and wondering for future argument sake how he works with Abyssal Nocturnus during combat.
I guess the question is, when is combat damage assigned? Do I choose the order so that Neheb's would go off and trigger the discard to pump nocturnus before his damage is calculated?
Or is it all assigned all at once making the pump effect of nocturnus not take effect until after combat?
Thanks!
Gidgetimer says... #2
Sorry Nocturnus gives itself fear with its buff ability, IDK why I said shadow.
May 4, 2017 3:01 p.m.
A pitfall you might run into is that if Abyssal Nocturnus is a Minotaur because of something like Conspiracy it will have first strike and get the +2/+2 after it deals it's combat damage, though will likely have +2/+0 from you having few cards in hand, so might work out just as well.
May 4, 2017 3:15 p.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #4
Thanks everyone that clears it up perfectly!
I had totally ignored the first strike but that makes total sense now.
May 4, 2017 5:20 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #5
No problem. If you do not require further clarification please select an answer to remove this from the unanswered queue.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #1
Neheb, the Worthy has first strike so this works how you want as long as Abyssal Nocturnus does not gain first strike. However your reasoning is a bit off.
All combat damage in a combat damage step is dealt simultaneously. However since Neheb has first strike a second combat damage step is added to combat. Only creatures that have first strike or double strike will do damage in the first combat damage step. After damage is done in this step there is a round of priority and triggers will go on the stack. Neheb will cause all players to discard and Nocturnus will trigger growing larger and gaining shadow. Shadow is not going to help since if the Nocturnus was going to be blocked it would have happened before now and gained abilities will not negate blocks that were already made and legal at the time. In the second combat damage step creatures with double strike and all creatures who have not yet dealt damage will do so and Nocturnus should be doing damage in this step and buffed.
May 4, 2017 2:59 p.m.