Genju of the Cedars + Yedora, Grave Gardener. What if I activate Genju turn a face down forest (creature) into a 4/4 trample and then turn it face up e.g. through the new Kaust, Eyes of the Glade or Ixidor, Reality Sculptor?
Asked by Mave 3 months ago
As in the Question. I wonder what happens if one of my creature dies and get turned into a face down card that is a forest, then I enchant it with Genju of the Cedars to turn it into a 4/4 Spirit with Trample that is still a land. I Should now be able to target that creature with Ixidor or Kaust to turn it face up. If I do that I wonder if that card still has all the original abilities. I'm certain the modifications from the Genju stay. So no matter what the card actually is it should be a 4/4 with trample and a spirit. But what is with other abilities? As a specific example for Kausts colors what if the face down creature is an Akki Underminer. Will it still has the ability that triggers upon dealing combat damage to a player?
Sorry I often forgett how to use the syntax to create card links so it is hard if I don't have the text field buttons. I know that there is a combo with Yedora, Grave Gardener and Genju of the Cedars where you basicly activate the effect of the Genju on any Face down card that is a forest to turn it into a 4/4 creature sacrifice it and the creature returns as a face down forest again while Genju is returned to your hand. There are also combos where a Morph creature can be turned face up after Yedora, Grave Gardener returned it to the battlefield as a face down forest and then sacrificed to return as a face down forest again. The issue for me is that I don't know how much the effect of the Genju affects the face down card.
January 20, 2024 8:08 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #3
Third Gatherer ruling on Yedora, Grave Gardener reads "If one of these Forests is turned face up, the effect making it a Forest land will expire. The face-up permanent will again have its printed name, type line, mana cost, abilities, and so on."
This ruling stems from the fact that Yedora only specifies the characteristics of the card as it exists in the face-down state. If it is turned face-up the printed characteristics take over. This means that unless the front face is a forest Genju of the Cedars will be put into the graveyard for enchanting an illegal permanent.
Since the permanent never left the battlefield and Genju's type changing ability lasts until EoT; it will still be a 4/4 spirit (not sure where the trample was coming from in your question, so can't confirm if it still applies). It will still be the original creature though and Genju's effect just changes type, color, and and sets P/T. So all other characteristics, including abilities, are based on the printed card. In your Akki Underminer example it still has the combat damage trigger.
January 21, 2024 12:45 a.m.
I think a friend once claimed Genju of the Cedars grants trample and it was a repeated error. The first player I encountered that played Victimize skipped the part of the creatures entering tapped and that spilled over into my whoe playgroup. I only learnd that after a new player entered said group and read the card.
Thank you for explaining the interaction. And sorry for the confusion.
wallisface says... #1
Posting the card links here to help whoever answers this.
Genju of the Cedars
Yedora, Grave Gardener
Kaust, Eyes of the Glade
Ixidor, Reality Sculptor
The “it’s a forest land” text makes me skeptical that turning the card face-up will change anything, but i’m not confident enough to say either-way.
January 20, 2024 7:31 p.m.