Counter, Counter, Okay, Board Wipe, Hand Extension

Standard* ZooGambler

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Saljen says... #1

There is much better draw in Standard than Font of Fortunes. Even Divination is better in most regards.

November 10, 2014 1:04 p.m.

ZooGambler says... #2

There are very few draw spells in Standard. Dig through Time, Divination, Weave Fate, Interpret the Signs, Jace's Ingenuity, Font of Fortune being them.

I used to run Divination, however divination is pretty bad alongside counterspells. Font can give us a T2 play where Divination cannot. We can play it T2 and hold up mana T3 for counterspells (or bluffing) then crack it EOT. Granted, Divination in better than Font late game but most control decks peak in the late game anyways. Font is in there to smooth out the early game which is the most problematic at the moment.

Weave Fate is an expensive Divination and worse Jace's Ingenuity. Interpret the Signs is hit or miss though can be included as a 1 of. Jace's comes down just too late (imo) and makes us reliant on hitting 5 lands just off the top.

Just my thought process.

November 10, 2014 3:38 p.m.

Tundernan says... #3

This deck obviously has no win condition, it seems like you rely on your Elspeth to do all the work.

December 30, 2014 11:03 p.m.

megaburrow says... #4

lol wut if i just shit on ur elspeth, than wut?

December 30, 2014 11:04 p.m.

Tundernan says... #5

Stain the Mind ANYONE?? COUNTER THIS DAMN DECK

December 30, 2014 11:05 p.m.

ZooGambler says... #6

Tundernan megaburrow guess I'm FUCKED.

December 30, 2014 11:06 p.m.

Kagani says... #7

Your feature card isn't in your decklist? List looks incredibly close to what Jim Davis has been running for 8 weeks or so. I do like the deck of course though.

December 31, 2014 11:47 p.m.

ZooGambler says... #8

Kagani I just like the art a ton, I don't mind that the card isn't in there. I've been working on this for over 2 1/2 months now! I guess we came up with something similar in the end haha.

I tried prog sphinx but it was just way too painfully slow and I don't like how you need to sacrifice a card to give it hexproof. Elsepth does work and Pearl Lake, while I don't like it at all, is the only finisher I could think of, that's the slot I'm really playing with. If you have any suggestions to run here, I'm open to them. As well as any other suggestions! Also I can't seem to put Aethersprouts in the deck for some reason. but the actual list is -1 End Hostilities +1 Aethersprouts

December 31, 2014 11:55 p.m.

Kagani says... #9

I'm a big fan of Whelming Wave against any token deck (especially ascendancy), u/w heroic, and mono green. It isn't the best vs Azban though unless you plan on leaving up 2 for stroke afterward. It is questionable main board, but it wrecks those 3 decks, faster than end hostilities and generally the same effect or better as they can't indestruct through it.

I also love the art on the angel, wish the card was better.

January 1, 2015 5:25 p.m.

ZooGambler says... #10

Kagani The only thing about Whelming Wave is the whole thing with ETB effects, among Siege Rhino, Sidisi, Wingmate Roc, and the like, returning them to their opponents hands hasn't shown to be of much use. It stalls a turn but then I'm just looking for a End Hostilities the following turn. Though it does beat up hordeling outburst and raise the alarm handily.

Aethersprouts has been working since it puts the opponents in a position where they have to determine what they put on top and on bottom, if they put it on top they just wasted a draw on something I now know they have, at instant speed allowing me to untap and counter/not counter whatever comes out next. With Whelming Wave I have to just live with whatever comes next. End Hostilities is a different story imo because it permanently takes care of the threats that were on board.

Given those little theories, I'll give it a try against those respective matchups to see how I like it! Thanks for the suggestion!

January 3, 2015 11:04 p.m.

touch_thy_egg says... #11

It seems that AEtherspouts might not be showing up because you are spelling it as sprouts, not spouts. It's spouts as in water spouts. Hope this helps

January 3, 2015 11:59 p.m.

ZooGambler says... #12

That's touch that should help light years!

January 4, 2015 1:05 a.m.

Kagani says... #13

Yeah that is why I said it is questionable main, especially against Abzan, but specifically against those 3 decks it wipes tokens and slows tempo if you hit more than they can fully recast in the next turn, or kills the token ofc. Hitting a raided wingmate is still a 1 mana tempo 2 turn gain as they can't raid trigger until the turn after next. Bad against rhinos, tempo gain on wingmate and hornet queen etc, can always go hushwing if you're worried about the etbs. there is also something to be said about not putting things in the gy to whip, delve, or if Pharika, turn into more creatures.

I like it as a 2 of board, but that is just me, wave also dodges pearl lake. Prowess trigger chumps gone, in heavy.

Against u/w heroic all they can do is maybe stubborn deny, and if they've exhausted unsustainable ench/protection cards you gain a huge amount by resetting the heroic triggers and swing timers. Dodges ajani's presence and soon to be valorous stance (FRF).

January 5, 2015 1:27 p.m.

Kagani says... #14

I apologize for some syntax issues there, tablet and proofreading, I've gotten lazy obviously.

January 5, 2015 1:30 p.m.

Standard91 says... #15

I like your build can you take a look and comment any advice.http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/uw-control-fate-reforged/

January 10, 2015 3:55 p.m.

Alqa says... #16

No love for Ugin in this deck?

January 21, 2015 9:34 a.m.

ZooGambler says... #17

Alqa Thanks for the comment! Ugin, the Spirit Dragon seems good, but it's a nonbo with Banishing Light in our deck. If we sweep using his -X, they'll probably get back hard to deal with permanents that we exiled away already. In white we have enough sweepers (in Elsepth, and in End Hostilities) that clearing the board really isn't that much of an issue (this is one of UB's problems). His +2 is good, but not good enough. Burning the opponent to the face or their creatures (in a midrange and token dominated format) isn't where we want to be T8. Elsepth is just simply better, chump tokens and wide damage (that still does 3) is better than a slow burn AND she comes out earlier. His -10 is good too, but we don't nearly have enough permanents to make use of it, the lifegain isn't that great when we can play Archangel instead and get the effect immediately, and the card draw, while good, is overkill. I've found my card draw to be more than sufficient to find the necessary answers.

All that being said, I hate Pearl Lake Ancient with a passion. There just isn't another thing I'd put in instead of him. So if you wanted to play Ugin, I'd substitute out PLA for it and find a slot in the side for the PLA.

January 21, 2015 10:37 a.m.

Alqa says... #18

Thanks for the advice. I will test the recomendations you post. Sweet deck by the way. Greetings from Peru.

January 21, 2015 11:53 a.m.

ZooGambler says... #19

Alqa No problem and thank you! Let me know if you have any other questions/comments.

January 21, 2015 12:02 p.m.

i like the shifts how have they been working for you?

January 23, 2015 3:18 p.m.

ZooGambler says... #21

They've actually been really good, it's been versatile against courser decks. Use your life as a resource and take the threat when you know the top of their library. It also helps against Stormbreath, and lets us deal with resolved permanents but has also been difficult to deal with a thing that they flip over because we can't counter that. I may replace them with straight counter spells though and move them to the side.

January 23, 2015 3:56 p.m.

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