Zur, Eternal Schemer - Rules interactions

Asked by TehGrief 2 years ago

When using Zur, Eternal Schemer's ability on an enchantment creature (Such as Archetype of Imagination, with base power 3/2), does the creatures innate power/toughness become changed to its converted mana cost (using the example above, 6/6)?

Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #1

Yes, that works. The base P/T setting part of Zur's effect will override the creature's printed base P/T.

September 27, 2022 5:24 p.m.

TehGrief says... #2

Furthermore, if Zur's ability was used on one of the Theros gods, who have their own static rule regarding when and if they are a creature, would Athreos, God of Passage (for example) become a 3/3 permanently, or would it become a 3/3 only for as long as you meet the devotion condition?

September 27, 2022 6:56 p.m.

Delphen7 says... #3

While searching for an answer, I actually found one... 9 years ago from Rhadamanthus

"...[Since Zur's effect] is newer, its type-changing ability has a newer timestamp than the God's natural devotion ability and will always be applied after it. Whether devotion is "on" or "off", the God will be a creature with P/T equal to its CMC..."

https://tappedout.net/mtg-questions/opalescence-and-theros-gods-without-devotion-are-they-creatures/

September 27, 2022 7:42 p.m.

TehGrief says... #4

Thank you both for your responses.

September 27, 2022 7:54 p.m.

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