What would happen
Asked by MarloweH 5 years ago
Fist scenerio: Let’s assume you have Helm of the Host Next let’s assume you have Gideon, Champion of Justice or another “becomes a creature” planeswalker
Second scenerio: Same Gideon but with Blade of Selves and Mirror Gallery out
Let’s assume Gideon has 6 loyalty counters on it. Next it becomes a creature. Combat in each scenerio creates the respective tokens.
How do the tokens come in?
-Are they creatures or planeswalkers?
-Do they have loyalty counters on them?
-If they don’t have counters on them are they 0/0s?
First, Thanks for the help.
In the first situation, if i understand you correctly the tokens created would stay around as planeswalkers so I should be able to activate the abilities in the second main phase, right?
In the second situation, would the tokens still leave play at the end of combat?
November 28, 2018 6:32 p.m.
You understand the first situation correctly--the planeswalkers will stay and can have their abilities used in your Second Main.
For the second, myriad creates a delayed trigger that will still exile the planeswalkers at the end of combat.
Caerwyn says... Accepted answer #1
When you make a copy of an object, you only copy the "copiable values" defines by Rule 706.2. In both cases, the status of Gideon being transformed into a creature is not a "copiable value" so will not be copied.
Situation 1, Helm of the Host:
You will create a non-legendary token Gideon, Champion of Justice as just a planeswalker. The token will enter the battlefield with 4 loyalty counters on it, regardless of how many loyalty counters the original Gideon had.
Situation 2, Blade of Selves:
You will create a copy of planeswalker-form Gideon, Champion of Justice for each opponent. Because they are not creatures, they will not be attacking the opponents, as it will not be a creature (Rule 506.4). Each will have 4 loyalty counters on them, regardless of how many loyalty counters the original Gideon had.
706.2 When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
November 28, 2018 4:05 p.m.