Small complication with Awe Strike
Asked by UmbrotheUmbreon 12 years ago
My hand: Twincast
My field: Lots of Islands and Forests, Stormtide Leviathan, Coiling Oracle
Opponent's hand: Brimstone Volley, Awe Strike
Opponent's field: Hearthfire Hobgoblin, Skyhunter Skirmisher.
I declare Stormtide Leviathan as my attacker. If my opponent casts Awe Strike on it, then I Twincast the instant and target my own creature, would we both gain the life or just me?
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #2
Well the thing is my opponent has Awe Strike and I'm swinging with an 8/8. If he uses Awe Strike, then I respond with Twincast and target my attacking creature, the stack would go like this
Twincast resolves, copying Awe Strike and resolving it, then after the damage is prevented and the life gained, the opponent's Awe Strike resolves, but since the damage was already prevented, there is no damage prevented from that one.
So only I owuld gain the life right?
May 20, 2012 8:01 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #3
That's not how replacement effects work. Awe Strike does not replace the event at the time of resolution, it replaces the event when that event would happen next. Both Awe Strikes resolve, and as the controller of the affected object (Stormtide Leviathan) you would choose which order to apply them in at the time the event would occur. If you apply yours first, the damage is prevented and you gain life. Your opponent's prevention effect will then have nothing to replace and he will gain no life. If you apply your opponent's effect first, he will gain life and you will not.
May 20, 2012 8:52 p.m.
benzzer853 says... #6
The awe strike is put onto the stack first then twincast so your twincast resolves first both resolve and now the next time your leviathan deals damage your opponent gains life because his awe strike resolves after yours and replaces it since two sources can't prevent the same damage from being dealt
May 21, 2012 1:49 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
@benzzer853: You are incorrect. As hunter9000 and I stated previously, the order in which the spells resolve has nothing to do with the order in which their replacement effects are applied.
May 21, 2012 1:55 a.m.
GoblinsInc says... #8
Epoch. The defending player is actually the one who will be choosing how the prevention effects apply. The event the prevention effects are trying to modify is the damage being dealt. the object affected by the event is the defending player. The affected player (the NAP) then gets to choose which order the prevention effects apply in. Most likely he will choose his to apply first, and then the other one's won't have anything to apply to, meaning the opponent will gain the life.
May 21, 2012 2:20 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
Is that how it works? I was somewhat unsure whether the game sided with the controller of the creature or the defending player.
May 21, 2012 2:34 a.m.
GoblinsInc says... Accepted answer #10
Yeah. The event being modified is the damage being dealt to the defending player, even though the source of the damage is the creature. Since the defending player is the affected player (or if it was one of his creatures, then he would control the affected object) he chooses the order they apply in.
May 21, 2012 2:40 a.m.
Here the rule for the two of you:
616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object's controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).
hunter9000 says... #1
I could be wrong about this, but...
According to 616.1, since both of the prevention effects would affect the same event, you decide which to apply in APNAP order. So since you're AP, you apply yours which prevents all the damage the creature deals, and you gain life. Then since the damage has already been prevented, there's no damage event for your opponent's copy of the Awe Strike ability to prevent, so it wouldn't do anything, and he gains no life.
616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected objects controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).
615.5. Some prevention effects also include an additional effect, which may refer to the amount of damage that was prevented. The prevention takes place at the time the original event would have happened; the rest of the effect takes place immediately afterward.
615.6. If damage that would be dealt is prevented, it never happens. A modified event may occur instead, which may in turn trigger abilities. Note that the modified event may contain instructions that cant be carried out, in which case the impossible instruction is simply ignored.
May 20, 2012 7:40 p.m.