Really deep into Perplexing Chimera
Asked by pedroedmarcos 5 years ago
Ok, I'm really perplexed about a situation with this card. So, Perplexing Chimera says that: "Whenever an opponent casts a spell, you may exchange control of Perplexing Chimera and that spell. If you do, you may choose new targets for the spell. (If the spell becomes a permanent, you control that permanent.)"
There is an part of the rulling that says:
"In some unusual cases, you may not control Perplexing Chimera when its triggered ability resolves (perhaps because the triggered ability triggered again and resolved while the original ability was on the stack). In these cases, you can exchange control of Perplexing Chimera and the spell that causes the ability to trigger, even if you control neither of them. If you do, youll be able to change targets of the spell, not the spells new controller."
I'm an EDH Player, so multiplayer is a reality to me, and by that comes my question:
RANDOM SITUATION
Let's say is a 4 player game, and I'm player 1, and I am the owner of the perplexing chimera. Player 2 decides to cast In Garruk's Wake. I, as the controller of the perplexing chimera decided to change control of the chimera and the spell. Player 3, decided to vanish one other creature of mine with Final Reward. It triggers again, so I change the control of it. Then, player number 4 flashes Archangel Avacyn
Flip. It triggers again I change the control of the spell, Player 4 casts an Counterspell on his own Avacyn. Again the triggler happens and I change the control of it. And FINALLY, it resolves. Am I the player that will decide the target of all of those spells regardless if I am or not the controller of the chimera? Since the Archangel Avacyn
Flip will enter first on the battlefield can I choose her as the target of Final Reward.Sorry If I'm talking nonsense but I'm Perplexed
pedroedmarcos says... #2
Ok, I see what I did there...You're almost there, but you are missing a point. I don't care what is the more beneficial thing to me in this situation, I just want to know the results, the control of each spell, and why. It's a total random situation that I just get to illustrate, but since I was not that clear let me put in another way what am I thinking.
This is the stack:P2 In Garruks Wake - P1 Trigger Chimera - P3 Final reward - P1 Trigger Chimera - P4 Avacyn - P1 Trigger chimera - P4 Counter spell - P1 Trigger chimera.
(AGAIN, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE RESULT SINCE IS JUST A ILLUSTRATIVE SITUATION OF THE STACK, AND FOCUSING ON THE TRIGGER)
If I choose to make the trades every time.
1-I get the control of the counterspell and P4 get the chimera;
2-I choose to counter the In Garruk's wake.
3-Since P4 is the controller of the chimera he still will control Avacyn.
4-P4 will have to trade Chimera for Final Reward, but I will choose the target. The trade happens and I choose Avacyn.
5-Since I used Counterspell to target In Garruks Wake the stack comes to an end.
So P3 will be the new controller of the chimera.
Is that right? I'm basing myself on a lot of info that I found, and different situations on multiple posts.
May 1, 2018 2 a.m.
That is how that situation will play out. The big issue is that your opponents are unlikely to build that stack, as waiting to play spells is generally beneficial, so responding to the Chimera's trigger shouldn't happen.
Neotrup says... #1
I don't think you understand the stack. Here's a couple breakdown's of what could be happening:
Situation 1:
Flip hoping to make their side indestructible, but Player 3's Perplexing Chimera triggers, and once resolves Player 3 decides to make the exchange, getting Archangel Avacyn
Flip and getting to use it's trigger. Your In Garruk's Wake finally resolves, destroying all creatures of Player 2 and Player 4, as well as any planeswalkers Player 3 controls.
Player 2 casts In Garruk's Wake, Perplexing Chimera's ability triggers, nobody responds, so you choose to use the ability and gain control of In Garruk's Wake while Player 2 gains control of Perplexing Chimera. Player 3 then decides to cast Final Reward targeting one of your creatures, and Player 2's Perplexing Chimera triggers. Again, nobody responds and Player 2 get's to decide whether to make an exchange. I'm guessing they won't because they have no stake in the a spell targeting your creature, but let's say they do. Player 4 then decides to cast Archangel Avacyn
Situation 2:
Flip triggering Perplexing Chimera for a third time. Now out of response players start letting the stack resolve. As there's an In Garruk's Wake on the stack you very much want to use the topmost trigger to gain control of Archangel Avacyn
Flip and get the trigger for yourself. Now Archangel Avacyn
Flip resolves, triggers, and the trigger resolves as people are out of responses. You're now left with the question as to whether you want to give Player 3 Perplexing Chimera and Player 4 Final Reward. As you'll get to choose the new target you promptly say 'Yes' and choose a creature of Player 4 or Player 2's for a reason that will become apparent. Now the creature gets exiled and your asked one final question: do you give Player 4 In Garruk's Wake or leave it in the hands of Player 2? As the spell doesn't target you'll gain no benefit from changing the controller, but you will get to choose which one of them's creatures and planeswalkers get left unscathed.
Player 2 casts In Garruk's Wake, triggering Perplexing Chimera. For some reason Player 3 doesn't want to see what you'll decide and casts Final Reward right away targeting one of your creatures, again triggering Perplexing Chimera. Again not wanting to see what happens Player 4 casts Archangel Avacyn
May 1, 2018 12:34 a.m.