Populate and Geist of Saint Traft
Asked by takami 12 years ago
Can you populate a angel that Geist of Saint Traft makes and keep it on the field by using Rootborn Defenses ? Also what if you had Parallel Lives ?
kfcl is wrong. If you populate that token with Rootborn Defenses it will stay on the battlefield. If Parallel Lives makes you put twice that many tokens, all will be exiled:
9/22/2011: If the effect creating the tokens instructs you to do something with those tokens at a later time, like exiling them at the end of combat, you'll do that for all the tokens.
December 19, 2012 4:28 a.m.
Ah, didn't read that properly. You're right. It depends on the source making the tokens, if the source is the same as the original, as in Parallel Lives or Doubling Season , it follows what the source says. If it's a new source, e.g. Rootborn Defenses , then it's not affected.
December 19, 2012 4:34 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #4
Because Rootborn Defenses and populate in general simply create a copy of a creature token, the populated copy of Geist of Saint Traft 's 4/4 Angel token will ETB untapped and not attacking, and it will not be subject to the end-of-combat exile clause of Geist of Saint Traft 's ability.
Because Parallel Lives creates a replacement effect, which means the original effect is the source of the additional token, the additional 4/4 Angel token produced by Geist of Saint Traft 's ability will ETB tapped and attacking, and it will be exiled at the end of combat.
December 19, 2012 4:49 a.m.
RedMurderDemon says... #5
Geist of Saint Traft's will swing with two 4/4 angel tokens and if you populate you will create two angel tokens that will stay on the field but the other two tokens created by Geist of Saint Traft's will be exile at the end of turn.
December 19, 2012 5:26 a.m.
harrydemon117 says... #6
HolyTyrant is correct ONLY if Parallel Lives is on the field when Geist of Saint Traft attacks AND you populate (with something like Rootborn Defenses
December 19, 2012 7:32 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #7
Parallel Lives changes the number of tokens an effect makes, not anything else about the way it works.
The "exile at end of combat" isn't a characteristic given to the Angel token created by Geist of Saint Traft , it's an additional effect of St. Traft's ability. If Parallel Lives is out, both of those tokens will be exiled, and if you use Rootborn Defenses the populated Angel token won't have any "exile" effect associated with it (and if Parallel Lives is out neither of the populated Angel tokens will have it).
December 19, 2012 9:41 a.m.
Parallel Lives : You create another attacking token. Both tokens are exiled at the end of the turn.
Rootborn Defenses or other Populate effect: You create another token. This one isn't attacking, nor will it be exiled at the end of the turn.
Parallel Lives + Rootborn Defenses or other Populate effect: You create two attacking tokens (that will be exiled at the end of the turn), then two copy tokens that won't be attacking nor exiled.
December 19, 2012 9:55 a.m.
MagnaLynx21 says... #9
Yeah, its better of with just Rootborn Defenses .
Better yet, the best thing you can do with Geist is put a Steel of the Godhead on it...
kfcl says... #1
GoST only requires that you exile the token it created, rather than it being a characteristic of the token, so any copies that you made, using whichever method, would stay.
December 19, 2012 4:25 a.m.