Minus and Plus Counters on Same Creature
Asked by DaddyRabbit78 7 years ago
Do +1/+1 counters remove -1/-1 counters (and vice versa) or do they both stay on the creature and just cancel each other out?
Example: Say I have Rampaging Baloths in play. Rampaging blocks an attacking Razor Swine and gets two -1/-1 counters. This makes him 4/4 while he's still in play, even after the turn is over, right?
But, say I use Power Conduit, to remove one of the -1/-1 counters meaning he has only one -1/-1 counter left and now he's 5/5. I use Power Conduit's activated ability and put a +1/+1 counter on Rampaging Baloths. Questions:
Does the +1/+1 counter OFFSET the remaining -1/-1 counter and they both disappear leaving Rampaging at 6/6?
Does the +1/+1 REPLACE the remaining -1/-1 and he's now 7/7?
Or, do both counters remain side-by-side, but cancel each other out and he's still a 6/6 with two different types of counters on him? Then I can untap Power Conduit (with,say, the broken Teferi, Temporal Archmage), then tap it again to remove the other counter making Rampaging an 8/8?
I'm essentially wondering if I can use Power Conduit to make an infected creature stronger or just "heal" it.
Raging_Squiggle says... #2
Whenever an amount of +1/+1 counters and an amount of -1/-1 counters are on the same creature, both are removed equal to the number of the least type of counters on the creature.
Example: Grizzly Bears has 2 +1/+1 counters on it. Black Sun's Zenith is played for X=1, putting a -1/-1 counter on Grizzly Bears. Since it has at least one of each counter, 1 counter of each type is removed leaving it with only a single +1/+1 counter.
merrowMania says... Accepted answer #1
From the Comp. Rules:
121.3. If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it as a state-based action, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it. See rule 704.
Essentially, you remove one both types until only one type is left. This rule does not apply to counters like +2/+2, -2/-2, +0/+1, etc.
September 6, 2016 3:02 p.m. Edited.