Liliana of the Veil
Asked by Gambit 13 years ago
Looking at the third ability, which stack are they in reference to? How many card's of my opponent's cards are in the stack, can I put 1 card to be in the graveyard and what do I do with the lets say other 8 cards.
That ability is pretty vague.
Epochalyptik says... #2
You take each permanent that the targeted player controls and put it in one of two piles of your creation. You do nothing else. After you have made your two piles (each must contain at least one card, or else that pile doesn't exist), your opponent chooses for himself or herself which permanents he or she will sacrifice. All permanents in a single pile must be sacrificed.
The ability is pretty simple, so there wasn't a lot of elaboration. Plus, it's hard to cram a lot of text in the ability box of a planeswalker and still have it readable.
October 18, 2011 7:39 p.m.
And "permanents" here refers to anything they have on the battlefield (creatures, lands, enchantments, artifacts, planeswalkers, and tokens of any kind).
October 18, 2011 7:40 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
Note that her ability doesn't say "opponent" either. You may target yourself with the ability. The targeted player is the one who chooses which pile gets sacrificed, while the controller of Liliana is the one who chooses which pile each of the targeted player's permanents goes in.
October 18, 2011 7:40 p.m.
So the person in control of Liliana, gets to choose who goes into the piles, does that mean the 2nd ability, means she says which creature gets to be destroyed?
October 18, 2011 7:45 p.m.
First, no creatures are destroyed. They are sacrificed. When you use her second ability, you target a player, then they sacrifice a creature they control. You don't get to pick the creature (if you could, it would read "target player sacrifices target creature they control."). This also goes for her first ability as well; each player chooses which card they will discard. For her third ability, YOU choose which permanents go into each pile, then THEY choose which pile to keep and which to sacrifice.
October 18, 2011 8:10 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
1st ability: Each player chooses a card from his or her own hand and discards that card.
2nd ability: Choose a target player. That player sacrifices a creature of his or her choice.
3rd ability: Choose a target player. Separate all of that player's permanents, putting each one in either of two piles. That player chooses one pile and sacrifices all permanents in that pile.
October 18, 2011 8:55 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
Correcting something that was mentioned earlier: a pile is actually allowed to be empty. It's usually not a good idea to do that (since the player making the choice can make the effect do essentially nothing), but sometimes there might be a reason.
700.3d A pile can contain zero or more objects.
October 18, 2011 9:47 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
I wasn't aware that piles could be empty (I suppose I was concluding that they could not, following the same logic that implies dealing 0 damage means not damage at all). Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
October 18, 2011 9:55 p.m.
So then, Liliana, can choose the permanents of his/her opponent, and that player would then choose which, pile is in the discard. Is that right?
October 18, 2011 10:14 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
See comment 7.
The controller of Liliana chooses the pile into which each permanent goes, and the controller of the permanents then makes the decision on which pile is sacrificed. Nothing is destroyed, and nothing is discarded.
Polaris says... Accepted answer #1
Her ability creates a Pile A and a Pile B (they aren't normally called that, but I will here). You put each permanent your opponent controls into either Pile A or B, and then your opponent has to decide which pile to keep and which to sacrifice. It's pretty straightforward, no 'stacks' involved (what gave you that idea?). It works on a similar principle to Fact or Fiction and Sphinx of Uthuun .
October 18, 2011 7:39 p.m.