Illusionist's Bracers question.
Asked by dennisd12 12 years ago
card:Illusionist's Bracers On a Elvish Archdruid would double the mane he makes, Am I correct?
evil_monkey says... #2
Incorrect. Illusionist's Bracers do not work on mana abilities.
January 8, 2013 3:46 p.m.
evil_monkey says... Accepted answer #3
406.1. A mana ability is either (a) an activated ability without a target that could put mana into a players mana pool when it resolves or (b) a triggered ability without a target that triggers from a mana ability and could produce additional mana. A mana ability can generate other effects at the same time it produces mana.406.2. Spells that put mana into a players mana pool arent mana abilities. Theyre played and resolved exactly like any other spells.406.3. A mana ability remains a mana ability even if the game state doesnt allow it to produce mana. Example: A permanent has an ability that reads Tap.gif: Add Manag.gif to your mana pool for each creature you control. This is still a mana ability even if you control no creatures or if the permanent is already tapped. 406.4. A mana ability can be activated or triggered. Mana abilities are played and resolved like other abilities, but they dont go on the stack, so they cant be countered or responded to. See rule 411, Playing Mana Abilities, and rule 408.2, Actions That Dont Use the Stack.406.5. Abilities that produce mana but trigger from events other than playing mana abilities do use the stack. So do abilities that don't produce mana but trigger on playing mana abilities.406.6. If a mana ability would produce one or more mana of an undefined type, it produces no mana instead. Example: Meteor Crater has the ability Tap.gif: Choose a color of a permanent you control. Add one mana of that color to your mana pool. If you control no colored permanents, playing Meteor Craters mana ability produces no mana. 406.7. Some abilities produce mana based on the type of mana another permanent or permanents could produce. The type of mana a permanent could produce at any time includes any type of mana that an ability of that permanent would generate if the ability were to resolve at that time, taking into account any applicable replacement effects in any possible order. Ignore whether any costs of the ability couldnt be paid. If that permanent wouldnt produce any mana under these conditions, or no type of mana can be defined this way, theres no type of mana it could produce. Example: Exotic Orchard has the ability Tap.gif: Add to your mana pool one mana of any color that a land an opponent controls could produce. If your opponent controls no lands, playing Exotic Orchards mana ability will produce no mana. The same is true if you and your opponent each control no lands other than Exotic Orchards. However, if you control a Forest and an Exotic Orchard, and your opponent controls an Exotic Orchard, then each Exotic Orchard could produce Manag.gif.January 8, 2013 3:47 p.m.
"(b) a triggered ability without a target that triggers from a mana ability and could produce additional mana." The thing that applies to Elvish Archdruid , quoted from evil_monkeys elaborate response. lol
January 8, 2013 3:56 p.m.
Oh, My bad, I was under the impression that Mana abillities were any ability that needed mana to activate, thank you for correcting me.
January 8, 2013 3:58 p.m.
Can anyone Give me an example in standard with card:Illusionist's Bracers?
January 8, 2013 4:01 p.m.
linkofhyrule says... #8
here's an example: Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind equipped with card:Illusionist's Bracers:
you tap Niv to draw a card, which then triggers both his first ability and the bracers (which will then re-trigger Niv's first). you will end up drawing two cards, and then dealing two (individual) points of damage to (up to two) creatures and/or players.
January 8, 2013 5:12 p.m.
Or equip card:Illusionist's Bracers to Hellrider . When he attacks, his ability triggers, which then triggers the bracers, copying his ability, effectively dealing 2 damage to defending player for each attacking creature.
January 8, 2013 5:17 p.m.
It says "activated ability", which is not a trigger ability so I don't think it would work will Hellrider
January 8, 2013 6:36 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #11
XyZiron is right on that point. card:Illusionist's Bracers only triggers when "an ability of equipped creature is activated", which means it only copies activated abilities. The bracers do nothing for Hellrider .
January 8, 2013 8:21 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #13
They work great. Arbor Elf has an activated ability (the cost is "Tap", and the effect is "Untap target Forest"), and it's not a mana ability (it doesn't directly make any mana). Like Illusionist's Bracers says, you can even choose a new target for the copy of the ability.
dennisd12 says... #1
**Mana.
January 8, 2013 3:45 p.m.