How Failure/Comply works (Mostly Failure)

Asked by KujouJ1 7 years ago

New to Magic so trying to figure out Interactions with certain cards.

The question is on use of Failure with Approach of the Second Sun. The way I would be using it would be to cast Approach of the Second Sun then use Failure to return it to Approach next turn.

Will the interaction be:

  1. You play Approach of the Second Sun and just bounce it back into your hand with Failure with the effect of Approach going off.
  2. You can play Approach of the Second Sun into a Failure without Approach of the Second Sun casting because of stacking.
  3. You can use it as a response and bounce spells and use Approach of the Second Sun and then bounce it before putting it into the 7th slot of your deck.

Reason for asking was someone told me I was able to cast Failure to return a spell right after you cast it meaning I can Cancel and return Cancel with Failure without it bouncing the effect. How I originally read the text is someone plays fumigate and in response, I play Failure to bounce it right back in his hand before it ever casts/goes off.

Also have another example, not just with Approach mechanic. Can I Immolating Glare an attacking card and then Failure it to return it to my hand without using it or will it bounce my own Glare and fail to go off?

hyperlocke says... Accepted answer #1

To cast a spell means to take the card from where it is (usually your hand) and put it onto the stack. A spell is a card on the stack.

When you remove a spell from the stack before it resolves (with things like Failure or Counterspell), the spell will have no effect.

Once a spell has begun resolving, it resolves completely, without any player being able to do something during that process.

So, what happens is this:

  • You cast Approach of the Second Sun.
  • Before it resolves, you cast Failure, targeting Approach.
  • Maybe other stuff happens...
  • Failure resolves and returns Approach from the stack to your hand.
  • The stack is now empty. Approach didn't do anything, because it never started resolving.
  • In your next turn, you cast Approach.
  • When it resolves, it checks whether you cast it from hand (yes) and whether you already cast a spell named Approach this game (yes, even if it didn't resolve). Both conditions are true, so you win the game.
  • You cast Immolating Glare targeting an attacking creature.
  • Before it resolves, you cast Failure targeting Glare.
  • Other stuff?
  • Failure resolves and returns Glare from the stack to your hand.
  • Nothing happens to the targeted creature, because Glare isn't on the stack anymore and thus can't resolve.
August 3, 2017 4:48 a.m.

KujouJ1 says... #2

All right, since Approach of the Second Sun was casted, using Failure would put to the stack that Failure goes off first making Approach not resolve. Since it had still has been cast (Approach), you win the game if you either Failure resolves and you take back Approach and live the opponents turn to play it or draw another Approach. Thank you for the explanation

August 3, 2017 6:48 a.m.

Ziembski says... #3

Well, if you have mana to cast Approach secound time, You don't need to w8 for next turn.

August 4, 2017 2:45 a.m.

KujouJ1 says... #4

I'm implying the turn you cast Approach and failure you'd need to wait for next turn since you'd tap 9 mana.

August 6, 2017 6:44 a.m.

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