Geist honored monk + trostoni
Asked by nfcnorth 12 years ago
if I have a card:Trostani, Selesnya's Voice out and play a Geist-Honored Monk would the two tokens it creates count towards the power and toughness of the monk when I gain life from it entering? I am assuming it would but just want to double check.
704.4. Unlike triggered abilities, state-based actions pay no attention to what happens during the resolution of a spell or ability.
Example: A player controls a creature with the ability This creatures power and toughness are each equal to the number of cards in your hand and casts a spell whose effect is Discard your hand, then draw seven cards. The creature will temporarily have toughness 0 in the middle of the spells resolution but will be back up to toughness 7 when the spell finishes resolving. Thus the creature will survive when state-based actions are checked. In contrast, an ability that triggers when the player has no cards in hand goes on the stack after the spell resolves, because its trigger event happened during resolution.
The example is actually perfect. SBA's are checked at the resolution of an ability, not on the trigger. This is because after your tokens hit the field, you get priority and SBA's are checked. Then Trostani's abilities start resolving, and SBA's have checked that your Geist's toughness is 5.
October 23, 2012 3 a.m.
Geist-Honored Monk would end at 4: Geist, Trostani, and 2 tokens.
October 23, 2012 5:32 a.m.
As another note, if you had a Parallel Lives on the field, you would get 4 tokens instead, making Geist 6/6 when entering the battlefield.
October 23, 2012 5:33 a.m.
@Saion I think you quoted the wrote rule on that, as that rule explains how as long as a spell is resolves, SBA's are not checked all the way through the resolution.
(Good example: Tarmogoyf + Lightning Bolt ). That is a part of it, but not relevant.
What we're dealing with is triggered abilities. Just if you had Phyrexian Arena and card:Venser's Journal on the field, you want to stack the abilities in the correct order.
Whenever Geist-Honored Monk enters the battlefield, it triggers two abilities under your control: card:Trostani, Selesnya's Voice and Geist-Honored Monk 's ETB effect. Since you can stack them however you like, because they trigger at the same time--both under your control, you would put card:Trostani, Selesnya's Voice on first (bottom) and Geist-Honored Monk on last (top). Then, Geist's ability would resolve, putting two 1/1 's on the field, thus triggering card:Trostani, Selesnya's Voice two additional times. Assuming nothing else happens, you would gain 1+1+4= 6 life as, Saion said, it's P/T isn't checked until the resolution of the ability.
October 23, 2012 7:13 a.m.
I seriously don't know how to count...
Either way, I was pretty much close to right, which gives me an ego boost and I'm cool with that.
Saion says... #1
It depends on how you stack the abilities.
In this scenario you would do:
- Cast Geist-Honored Monk
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- Put the trigger from card:Trostani, Selesnya's Voice first effect on the stack.
- Put the ETB ability from Geist on the stack.
- ETB Resolves first, giving you the tokens.
- Add two more card:Trostani, Selesnya's Voice triggers.
- Resolve the 3 triggers from Trostani, gaining 1, then 1, then 5(assuming you control no more creatures than Geist, Trostani, and the tokens). This is because the status is checked as the ability resolves. You would gains 7 total.
Assuming I'm wrong and statuses are actually checked on the triggering of an ability, you would gain 4 life. I'll go check the comprehensive rules right now but I think I'm right.October 23, 2012 2:44 a.m.