Doubling Season and Kalonian Hydra
Asked by DemonDragonJ 6 years ago
If a player controls both a Doubling Season and a Kalonian Hydra, and then attacks with the hydra, will the hydra's ability quadruple the number of +1/+1 counters on all creatures that that player controls?
DemonDragonJ says... #2
Gidgetimer, if that is true, using the hydra itself as an example, its own ability would double its counters from four to eight, but you are saying that they would be tripled to twelve, when I am nearly certain that they would be quadrupled to sixteen.
July 18, 2018 9:29 p.m.
Using the Kalonian Hydra as an example, it has 4 counters so it triggers to double those. This means it puts on an additional 4 counters to bring it up to 8. Doubling Season sees this attempt to put 4 counters on and doubles that, making it 8 counters you're adding instead. This means the Hydra ends up with 12 counters.
July 18, 2018 10:01 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #4
Ruling from Hydra:
7/1/2013: To double the number of +1/+1 counters on a creature, determine how many +1/+1 counters are on the creature and put that many more on it. Effects that interact with counters (such as the one created by Corpsejack Menace's ability) may change the number of counters ultimately put on the creature.
Ruling full Oracle text of Doubling Season:
If an effect would create one or more tokens under your control, it creates twice that many of those tokens instead.
If an effect would put one or more counters on a permanent you control, it puts twice that many of those counters on that permanent instead.
If you notice you are putting on the amount of counters that are already on it, then doubling the amount of counters PUT ON.
Also please don't ask a question and then directly contradict someone answering you. It comes off as rude to be unsure of yourself enough to ask the question, but sure enough to tell someone else they are wrong. If you don't understand how someone reached the answer they gave you just ask for further clarification by saying you don't understand how they arrived at the answer.
July 18, 2018 10:38 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #5
Neotrup, Gidgetimer, thank you very much for explaining the situation in greater detail; I am very glad that I clarified that before using that combination in an actual game, which would have been embarrassing if I did not know how it worked. It certainly was not my intention to be rude, so I am very sorry if I seemed to be in my previous post.
Gidgetimer says... #1
It triples it. Kalonian Hydra's ability puts as many counters on each of your creatures as they have on them. Doubling Season doubles the amount of counters put on.
July 18, 2018 9:24 p.m.