Can Trample bite through Pro green?

Asked by Alphawolf626 12 years ago

Here was the situation:

Opponent has a Predator Ooze on the field that is a 3/3 and I have a Mirran Crusader . If he activates Kessig Wolf Run and pumps his Ooze say...+3/+0, and I block with my Crusader, will 4 damage trample over me or will my protection from green negate Trample? If so, could you please quote the rules on it?

In my opinion, it shouldnt because I thought Protection meant it could not be dealt damage, and if you cant deal the 2 lethal damage, then 4 cant trample over.

zandl says... #1

The Trample goes over. You take 4 because the Ooze's power and the Crusader's toughness are checked before any prevention abilities or replacement abilities are checked.

This is similar to Trample over Fog Bank .

July 9, 2012 1 a.m.

GoblinsInc says... Accepted answer #2

will 4 damage trample over me or will my protection from green negate Trample?

He can assign 4 damage to you. When assigning combat damage, you don't take into consideration anything that would prevent (Pro-Green) or redirect (Captain's Maneuver) the damage (nor increase/decrease it like furnace of rath or Gisela, Blade of Goldnight). So he will assign 2 damage to your Crusader (which is considered lethal as it is enough to equal the crusader's thoughness). Then the rest he can assign either to the Crusader, or if you wants he can assign it to you.When the damage then goes to be dealt the 2 damage to the crusader will be prevented, but any to you will not. This is due to the fact that you assign damage before you deal it, and the assignment is where trample checks lethal. It doesn't look ahead to check if the damage will actually kill the creature, just that it would be considered lethal in regards to its toughness (note deathtouch damage considers 1 to be lethal)702.18b The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures thats being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage thats actually dealt. The attacking creatures controller need not assign lethal damage to all those blocking creatures but in that case cant assign any damage to the player or planeswalker its attacking.Example: A 2/2 creature that can block an additional creature blocks two attackers: a 1/1 with no abilities a 3/3 with trample. The active player could assign 1 damage from the first attacker and 1 damage from the second to the blocking creature, and 2 damage to the defending player from the creature with trample.Example: A 6/6 green creature with trample is blocked by a 2/2 creature with protection from green. The attacking creatures controller must assign at least 2 damage to the blocker, even though that damage will be prevented by the blockers protection ability. The attacking creatures controller can divide the rest of the damage as he or she chooses between the blocking creature and the defending player.

July 9, 2012 1:05 a.m.

Vidikh says... #3

Rule 702.18b has an example of this, you only need to assign lethal damage not deal lethal damage.

702.18b The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s)blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any remainingdamage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player orplaneswalker the creature is attacking. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take intoaccount damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures thats beingassigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might changethe amount of damage thats actually dealt. The attacking creatures controller need not assignlethal damage to all those blocking creatures but in that case cant assign any damage to theplayer or planeswalker its attacking.

Example: A 2/2 creature that can block an additional creature blocks two attackers: a1/1 with no abilities a 3/3 with trample. The active player could assign 1 damage fromthe first attacker and 1 damage from the second to the blocking creature, and 2 damageto the defending player from the creature with trample.

Example: A 6/6 green creature with trample is blocked by a 2/2 creature with protectionfrom green. The attacking creatures controller must assign at least 2 damage to theblocker, even though that damage will be prevented by the blockers protection ability.The attacking creatures controller can divide the rest of the damage as he or shechooses between the blocking creature and the defending player.

July 9, 2012 1:05 a.m.

zandl says... #4

For comparison, giving Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Trample can be a bit misleading. If blocked by a 4/4, Gisela still needs to assign 4 damage to the blocker even though 2 would technically be lethal.

"When checking for assigned lethal damage, take intoaccount damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures thats beingassigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might changethe amount of damage thats actually dealt."

July 9, 2012 1:07 a.m.