can Comet Storm shoot a player and his planeswalker?
Asked by Kalani 14 years ago
That's it. Since it says 'another target player or..' it's confusing to me. someone explain?
You are correct... However when you kick the Comet Storm you simply target your opponent and then say you are redirecting the damage to his/her planeswalker...
Hope this helps... :)
April 26, 2011 8:01 a.m.
brianguymtg says... #3
I think Kalani needs to know whether you can damage both with the same casting...
April 26, 2011 8:23 a.m.
Nick is right - you cannot hit both the player and a planeswalker he owns (or for that matter more than a single planeswalker he owns) by using the multikicker because it explicitly states that you must target a different player or creature for every time it was kicked and to deal damage to a planeswalker you must first target the player and then chose to redirect the damage to his/her planeswalker.
Trying to hit a player and his/her planeswalker (or multiple of his/her planeswalkers) would require targeting the player more than once which is explicitly prohibited by the wording of the card.
Hope this clears it up.
April 26, 2011 8:49 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #6
To be clear, since it hasn't been mentioned yet: Planeswalkers don't "count as players" for anything at all. That's a shortcut some people use to explain certain things about planeswalkers, but it's not accurate. The other responses above are all correct.
April 26, 2011 1:18 p.m.
The above comment (by supernick) is wrong.
Firstly I don't believe a player can have shroud because, as I recall, it is a gameplay mechanic strictly associated with permanents and a player is not a permanent (I may be wrong here but I think that's true - some clarification would be nice).
Secondly, you would be correct in saying that, if a player has a shroud-like protection from, e.g. Leyline of Sanctity (which is actually more like a troll-shroud effect rather than a basic shroud effect but that's of no consequence), then their opponent is not able to target the player with any spell or ability and therefore cannot redirect any damage from the player to a planeswalker they control - that much is true.
However, the planeswalker can be targeted by any ability which targets "a permanent" or (while I know of none at present) specifically targets a planeswalker itself rather than a player.
For example if supernick controls a Jace Beleren and has Leyline of Sanctity in play I could still target Jace with Vampire Hexmage 's ability to remove all counters from a target permanent thereby killing him. This would not be possible if the planeswalker itself had shroud.
I hope that explanation is clear enough to get the point I'm making.
April 26, 2011 3:03 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #9
Players can get shroud. True Believer has been printed with this text, but other cards have had their Oracle text edited to also use the shroud keyword.
April 26, 2011 3:19 p.m.
A player can actually have shroud - I'm not certain of the ruling but we have True Believer . Other than that you're completely correct.
supernick says... #1
no, to target a pw, u need to target the player first and redirect the damage to thwe pw. but it needs to be announced that the pw is being hit, not the player. assuming it gets through u get to hit one or the other.
April 26, 2011 8:01 a.m.