A question about triggered abilities
Asked by Zinon 3 years ago
Ok, so yesterday we got a little confused on what order the triggered abilities go on the stack, my opponent had 2 Shrieking Affliction and I had a Drana's Emissary and I was at 2 life, we believed that I could put the shrieking affliction triggers on the stack, then my drana's emissary, then activate other abilities to gain the life I needed, we asked an L2 judge later on that day and he said that would work, but after reading various things online it seems that it wouldn't work that way.
So what would be right, can I put the opponent's shrieking affliction trigger on the stack then my drana's emissary trigger, or does it have to happen the other way around? (and yes, I only had one card in hand for the shrieking affliction to deal damage)
i'm curious what sources you read that said it wouldn't work that way. since you're the active player and all the triggers happen simultaneously, you determine how to order them. you can put the afflictions on the stack first so they resolve last, but would need to gain 5 life total to survive the upkeep.
January 2, 2021 9:43 p.m.
Tyrant-Thanatos says... #3
i'm curious what sources you read that said it wouldn't work that way. since you're the active player and all the triggers happen simultaneously, you determine how to order them.
Incorrect,
603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, each player, in APNAP order, puts triggered abilities they control on the stack in any order they choose. (See rule 101.4.) Then the game once again checks for and resolves state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority.
101.4. If multiple players would make choices and/or take actions at the same time, the active player (the player whose turn it is) makes any choices required, then the next player in turn order (usually the player seated to the active player’s left) makes any choices required, followed by the remaining nonactive players in turn order. Then the actions happen simultaneously. This rule is often referred to as the “Active Player, Nonactive Player (APNAP) order” rule.
If all of the triggers were controlled by the same player, that player would determine how to order them. Otherwise they are ordered per 603.3b. In this instance, Drana's Emissary would go onto the stack first, as it is controlled by the active player, then Shrieking Affliction would go onto the stack. Affliction would resolve first and kill OP, assuming they were unable to respond with a life gaining effect or some other means of survival.
January 2, 2021 9:57 p.m. Edited.
[Keqing420] - Hereon I must hent a specific rule as reason:
603.3a A triggered ability is controlled by the player who controlled its source at the time it triggered, unless it’s a delayed triggered ability.
Moreover:
603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, each player, in APNAP order, puts triggered abilities they control on the stack in any order they choose. (See rule 101.4.) Then the game once again checks for and resolves state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority.
Those who control the triggers, order the triggers. Despite the fact of it being the turn of the Emissary's controller, they do not control the triggers and thus do not order them.
January 2, 2021 10 p.m.
Tyrant-Thanatos yeah i think i somehow confused triggers with priority when thinking of apnap order.
Azeworai: someone else already said that, but you can link tappedout users the same way you link cards, by using double brackets instead of singular.
January 2, 2021 10:04 p.m.
Thank you for telling me, it is very good to know this for when this inevitably happens again. It was casual so it didn't matter too much, but the drana's emissary resolving first did change who won.
January 4, 2021 4:38 p.m.
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Idoneity says... Accepted answer #1
A most splendid enquiry!
Whenever multiple triggered abilities are put onto the stack, they are ordered depending upon the turn and the player. 'Tis your turn in this circumstance, thus the Drana's Emissary (your trigger) would be put onto the stack first, but Shrieking Affliction (your opponent's trigger) is put onto the stack directly afterwards. The opponent's triggers resolve first.
As within this ensample. the Shrieking Afflictions would resolve first due to being put upon the stack second.
Merely to note, priority is not passed between each of these triggering, but is passed between them resolving.
My apologies for being overly specific, but I wish for this to be clear.
January 2, 2021 9:38 p.m. Edited.