I dont know if this works
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Posted on May 9, 2012, 12:48 a.m. by samiam2
Question:
If I Act of Treason an opponent's creature, on Main Phase 2 I play either Cloudshift or Restoration Angel, will I end up keeping the creature for the game or still have to return it?
Epochalyptik says... #3
torridus is correct. When you blink the creature, the linked delayed triggered ability (say that 10 times fast) from Act of Treason that would have applied to the old permanent no longer applies to the new permanent (whenever a card leaves and then reenters the battlefield, it is a new permanent with no memory of its previous existence).
May 9, 2012 1:49 a.m.
Harrykekoa says... #4
Sorry for jumping into this, but that means if my creature was targeted say with a doom blade and i cloudshift, it no longer will be targeted and therefore won't die. Right?
May 9, 2012 2:25 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
Correct. When the creature is blinked, it will no longer be the same creature it was before. This means that any effects targeting the old one are no longer targeting the new one.
May 9, 2012 2:45 a.m.
I believe this is different however when it comes to Oblivion Ring? If someone uses Oblivion Ring on my creature, if I Cloudshift it, Oblivion Ring will still be able to remove it because they will all go on stack and Cloudshift woould be resolved first?
Sorry may be confusing, I heard this fro ma third party in FNM so want to make sure. Thanks guys!
May 9, 2012 10:14 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
It all depends on when you use Cloudshift. Oblivion Ring doesn't target anything when it's cast; its ETB triggered ability targets something.
If you cast Cloudshift in response to Oblivion Ring going onto the stack, then your creature will be blinked and reenter as a new permanent, then be a legal target for Oblivion Ring's triggered ability when that goes onto the stack.
If you cast Cloudshift in response to Oblivion Ring's triggered ability going onto the stack and targeting your creature, then your creature will be blinked and reenter as a new permanent, meaning that anything formerly targeting the old one is not targeting the new one. Oblivion Ring's triggered ability will fizzle.
May 9, 2012 10:29 a.m.
This is why people are going nuts over Cloudshift; it's remarkably versatile. Not as good as Rebuff the Wicked in most situations, but close enough.
May 9, 2012 5:18 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
Cloudshift is essentially a Rebuff the Wicked for creatures that also abuses ETB abilities and prevents combat damage.
torridus says... #2
I believe you keep the creature permanently.
Act of Treason
brings target creature under your control. Either of those spells then exile the creature you control, and return it play under your control. Although Treason says "until end of turn," when the creature is brought back to the battlefield from exile it counts as a new target. When it becomes exiled I'm pretty sure Act of Treason no longer applies to the creature in question.
May 9, 2012 1:06 a.m.