Extort rulings
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Posted on July 27, 2013, 3:01 p.m. by Cyber Locc
okay so Im completely confused about extorts rulings. Extort keyword reads - Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay Manawb.gif. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
then the rulings from http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Extort say -
From the Comprehensive Rules:
702.100. Extort 702.100a Extort is a triggered ability. "Extort" means "Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay Manabw.gif. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain life equal to the total life lost this way." 702.100b If a permanent has multiple instances of extort, each triggers separately.
now this article says - Your opponent might just save you the hassle and counter it right off the bat or he or she can wait to see whether or not you pay the mana for extort, after which time the spell will still be on the stack and your opponent will be able to counter it the next time he or she receives priority (perhaps using Izzet Charm now that youve already spent that mana on Extort!).
So the thing here everything is saying that extort resolves before the spell and it says when you CAST which you did counter or not the extort should still go through shouldn't it.
I don't get why you're confused; everything you read and posted here is true and none of it contradicts itself. Extort triggers when you cast a spell, which means it goes on the stack above the spell you cast and will resolve first. On its resolution, you choose to either pay the cost or not pay the cost. That's how it works, which is exactly what you already posted.
July 27, 2013 3:09 p.m.
Smith_and_Tonic says... #4
Actually, I think I understand a little more now. When the extort trigger goes on the stack, you get priority first, and after that your opponents and so on. When your opponents receive priority, they can choose to cast a spell and counter your original spell. The stack will then start to resolving assuming no one else has any plays. The counterspell resolves, countering your original spell. Then the extort trigger resolves which you may or may not want to pay. End of stack.
July 27, 2013 3:12 p.m.
Cyber Locc says... #5
No that's not what I already posted what I posted says
perhaps using Izzet Charm now that youve already spent that mana on Extort!.
To me hes trying to say making your extort null. I agree what they already get hit before the counter. I think hes saying you don't maybe gain the life if its countered. Just the way I see it maybe read the whole article with the context that's how it sounds to not saying that's what hes trying to say just how I interpret it.
Also the spell waits till after extort right so If I cast Ultimate Price on my Crypt Ghast he still makes the mana that I tap for extort and I can still use his extort plus others right then he dies afterwords. I know this is off the topic but i just won a playtest doing this.
July 27, 2013 3:18 p.m.
Cyber Locc says... #6
From what I have read extort resolves before the spell and before there counter it is the first to resolve I think but could be wrong.
July 27, 2013 3:20 p.m.
Smith_and_Tonic says... #7
Extort does not care whether or not the spell is countered.
July 27, 2013 3:32 p.m.
Cyber Locc says... #8
Thats what Im saying too smith counter or not extort goes through. but this guy in the article makes it sound like it does.
July 27, 2013 3:44 p.m.
PasorofMuppets says... #9
The guy in the article isn't making it sound like that at all lol.
If you're confused about him mentioning Izzet Charm , he just brings it up because you have to pay any Extort costs you want to pay as you're casting the spell. So if you pay your extort costs and then pass priority, the opponent has the opportunity to counter the spell then, now that you've tapped out. I guess he mentions it because you do not have the opportunity to pay extort costs after you've passed priority with the original spell on the stack.
Re: "maybe read the whole article with the context," no need to be rude when you don't know what's going on and someone is trying to help.
July 27, 2013 3:53 p.m.
you have priority, play a spell (when you play a spell you extort on cast) it goes on the stack and you pass priority. If at this time it doesnt matter what they do, extorts on the stack and they take the damage.
1) you cast Doomblade > extort from Blind Obedience 2) they in response > Wear / Tear blind obedience 3) you pass priority4) they pass priority5) wear//tear destroys your blind obedience, trigger resolves, doomblade resolves.
what your opponent was trying to do was:
1) you cast2) wait for you to decide on extort or not3) you choose to extort4)respond by killing creature you extorted and saying you cant extort now.
it doesnt work that way.
July 27, 2013 4:05 p.m.
Cyber Locc says... #11
TheHorse I didn't even think about that izzet charm thing that makes since now.
Re I wasnt trying to be rude I was suggesting the article as a whole caused my confusion so maybe if read in context it could show where I was confused if it came off as rude I'm sorry that wasn't my intent.
xzavierx im kinda lost on your example if you talking about my Crypt Ghast example i destroyed my own creature my opponent did nothing. If what your saying is that extort will continue regardless of if you destroy Blind Obedience my extort doesnt go through which is what it sounds like your saying Im pretty sure it does. If your saying it does go through then disregard this comment.
July 27, 2013 4:22 p.m.
Yes, extort goes through regardless of what happens to the creature after
Smith_and_Tonic says... #2
I'm having a hard time deciphering what you're trying to say. Extort happens when you cast a spell, so when you cast a spell you have the option to extort (which is decided immediately). After you decided whether or not you want to extort the spell, your opponents receive priority. They can than cast a spell to counter whichever spell you were playing. Extort has already happened so if they counter the spell, they have already lost the life to extort.
July 27, 2013 3:08 p.m.