black lotus and demonic tutor

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Posted on April 20, 2012, 1:56 a.m. by Gamer7129

My friend and I got into a debate about which is better, Black LotusMTG Card: Black Lotus or Demonic TutorMTG Card: Demonic Tutor.

His argument is that tutor basically reads "you may play any card in your library for two additional mana" whereas I argue that lotus can win games turn one

In a very overall sense, which do the good people of tappedout say is better?

mazil says... #2

In my opinion, Black LotusMTG Card: Black Lotus is better because that is the card which facilitates everything else by providing fast mana. You can't even cast Demonic TutorMTG Card: Demonic Tutor without some form of mana investment. That's not to say it isn't a powerful card either, because it provides inevitability and counteracts the randomness of the shuffled deck.

If you've ever tried playtesting a vintage deck (highly reccomend trying this!), you'll find that you really need the mana-artifacts to get out of the gates fast.

April 20, 2012 2:29 a.m.

chiccocesena says... #3

I thnink it really depends on your deck. If your deck is built around one card and you need that one card to win the game, then Demonic TutorMTG Card: Demonic Tutor fits your deck "better" (if that is possible) than Black LotusMTG Card: Black Lotus.Although, I'd say that overall, Black LotusMTG Card: Black Lotus is a better card.

April 20, 2012 5:25 a.m.

squire1 says... #4

lotus is better. with that much mana first turn, you can search for a card or cast that card. It changes turn 1 to turn 4.

April 20, 2012 2:50 p.m.

bcurran says... #5

Black LotusMTG Card: Black Lotus is the best Magic card ever printed. The only card that even comes close to it is Ancestral RecallMTG Card: Ancestral Recall.

April 20, 2012 2:53 p.m.

squire1 says... #6

April 20, 2012 2:55 p.m.

bcurran says... #7

Really?

April 20, 2012 2:55 p.m.

chiccocesena says... #8

But why does that flower cost so much. I mean, even assumed that it's the best card ever printed, no cards cost even half as much

April 20, 2012 2:55 p.m.

bcurran says... #9

Scarcity, mostly. Also "legendary" value, i.e. "It's the best card ever, OMG I want it!!!!!!"

April 20, 2012 2:58 p.m.

squire1 says... #10

because there are not that many that actually exist. it was only printed in 3 sets. And 2 of them were limited run sets. Aside from that it has a reputation as the most powerful card. The card is infamous. In many cases when playing with one, I was just as happy to get a Sol RingMTG Card: Sol Ring, but when you drop a lotus, the game changes. people dont want to play anymore. Its intimidation factor is great

April 20, 2012 3 p.m.

chiccocesena says... #11

squire1 haha it's amazing how the description you made of Black Lotus gave me chills and made me tremble. Its power really is terrifying!

April 20, 2012 3:13 p.m.

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