Kaho, Minamo Historian in EDH
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Nov. 29, 2012, 3:45 p.m. by MartialArt
Hi.
If I play Kaho, Minamo Historian and remove the cards and he gets destroyed afterwards can I still use the cards removed before after casting him again?
And how many times can I play a card removed from the game with Kaho? What happens to them afterwards?
And lastly could he make a good commander and what stradegy could I follow with him?
MartialArt says... #3
Are you shure? It still has the same name and the cards were still exiled by him.
(I ask because the gatherer rulings don't explain situations like this)
November 29, 2012 4:07 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
It has the same name, but the cards were NOT exiled by it. When a creature leaves the battlefield for any reason, then returns, it is treated as a new permanent. It has no connections to abilities that affected the old permanent. If you exile cards with Kaho, Minamo Historian , then Kaho leaves the battlefield and returns, the cards exiled by the old Kaho are not exiled by the new one. They will remain in exile with no ability connected to them.
November 29, 2012 4:26 p.m.
Bigburlybill says... #5
Yes. Regardless of the same name, when a card leaves play and then returns it is considered a new version. The original exiled cards were connected to the first version. His effect triggers when he reenters to give you three new cards for his ability, but this is because he is a new version and is in no way connected to the original three.
An example of why this occurs could be seen in this:
- Opponent casts oblivion ring on Thragtusk
- In response, you cast Cloudpost .
- Oblivion Ring cannot target the new Thragtusk because it is a new permanent. Thus, it fizzles.
November 29, 2012 4:27 p.m.
hunter9000 says... #6
I was confused until I realized you meant Cloudshift instead of Cloudpost :)
November 29, 2012 4:31 p.m.
MartialArt says... #8
Ok. Thanks.
It would have been to good to dream of. I don't think I will make a commander with him then.
November 29, 2012 5:19 p.m.
If Kaho leaves the battlefield, all is not lost! You can use Tel-Jilad Stylus to return the cards to your library, and tutor them back up:
<i>You own all cards that started the game <b>in your deck</b>, and all cards that you "Wished" into the game (with one of the Judgment Wish cards or Ring of Maruf).</i>December 1, 2012 7:53 p.m.
Cancel that...it specifically says permanent, so you can't get back your instants. All is lost.
December 1, 2012 7:54 p.m.
hunter9000 says... #11
It also wouldn't work because only cards on the battlefield are permanents, when something's in another zone like the gravyard or exile, it may be a permanent card, but it's not a permanent.
December 1, 2012 8:17 p.m.
Yeah, I'm a COMPLETE idiot, but, unfortunately, I can't delete my post, so my ignorance will be immortalized. lol
December 1, 2012 8:43 p.m.
hunter9000 says... #13
We all have dumb posts scattered around the site, no worries :)
Bigburlybill says... #2
You cannot. When he's destroyed, and brought back later on, then he's a new version of himself. He cannot play cards that are from the old version.
November 29, 2012 4:04 p.m.