Are the 30th anniversary cards banned in commander, if not can we ban them?
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Oct. 5, 2022, 10:28 p.m. by vasarto77
Question says it all. If they fit in a normal sleeve, can we insist they still count as proxies if people try using the dual lands and just have them banned outright so it doesn't affect the market? These should count as gold border despite having a black border because of their back, right? I think it would be important that the rules committee were to declare outright that they really DO indeed count as proxies and must be approved by your playgroup beforehand.
They have the same legality as existing gold-bordered cards - the default rule is that they are not legal, but individual groups might permit their play regardless. The rules for card legality include having a regular Magic card back. It is not so much they are “banned” as they never were going to be permitted in the first place.
That should answer your question, but I also am going to go ahead and lock this thread. There already is a discussion thread for these cards - linked here - and having multiple threads on the same topic is rather redundant. If you want to discuss further, please post on that thread instead.
October 5, 2022 10:58 p.m.
With a different back they are absolutely proxies. The game wasn't designed around sleeves and there is a reason that the back of the cards hasn't changed at all since Alpha. There's no need for the rules committee to make a statement on them.
That being said, talk to your group and if everyone is fine with them, play them. Just like you would with any other proxy.
My problem with the 30th anniversary cards isn't that Wizards printed proxies, it's that they are the most money-grubbing move Wizards has ever made. $1000 for 60 random proxies, the vast majority of which are for cards with printings that have essentially no value? Even with a limited print-run Wizards is going to be making $900+ profit on every sale. I just don't support that kind of gouging.
October 5, 2022 10:59 p.m.
there isn't a need to worry about the affect of prices of reserved list cards due to this product... its a collectors thing.
They are not tournament legal cards
Proxies have been a bane and boon to Magic players for a long time now... personally I don't have issues with proxies being used in a casual setting... and if someone wanted to have a print a high quality proxy Savannah in there EDH deck I wouldn't be mad about it... But at the end of the day I think its up to the individual playgroup and Local Game Store as to whether or not it would be allowed/tolerated.
October 5, 2022 11 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #6
They are not tournament legal magic cards, so whatever rules are in place for CE are in place for them.
I'm not sure I would say that people play CE now with no issue, people have some issue but I find that a bit of a good thing. It makes it easy to tell the people who are unskilled and just want to win off of bankroll. It is best to avoid them. Personally I'd rather play against a player and their deck than their wallet. I have decks that could easily pay some of my acquaintances' bills for 3 months. I still want to play against them, despite being in vastly different financial situations.
Pedrodamus says... #2
For all intents and purposes these cards are CE 2.0. People play CE now with no issues. This will be no different.
October 5, 2022 10:54 p.m.