These card have what are called "characteristic-defining abilities." These abilities function in all zones, not just on the battlefield.
August 1, 2014 5:33 p.m.
Both of those have characteristic-defining abilities. Their power and toughness is always set as per their ability regardless of what zone they are. So if you control only Raging Goblin , and no opponents control goblins, they are both 1/1 in all zones. This is distinct from something like Muscle Sliver who, despite functionally normally never being smaller than 2/2 due to his ability, is considered a 1/1 while in any zone but the battlefield as his ability is not characteristic-defining.
Usually you can tell because the P/T will be printed with asterisks in these cases as opposed to hard numbers.
August 1, 2014 5:34 p.m.
So they would count themselves and the Raging Goblin and thus be 2/2s (instead of 1/1s as you mentioned) in the yard and library, right?
August 1, 2014 5:59 p.m.
No, they count red permanents you control and goblins in play respectively. When either of them are in the library or graveyard they are neither permanents nor in play.
August 1, 2014 6:09 p.m.
They do not count themselves in the yard because:
- Reckless One is not a goblin in play, so he doesn't count
- horde of bogagarts is not a red permanent you control, so he doesn't count either
August 1, 2014 6:10 p.m.
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