Does copying spells with alternate casting costs work?
Asked by Aethaleon 8 years ago
If I cast Rite of Replication kicked and then copy the spell twice with a level 4 Echo Mage ability, does it also include the kicked value? If not, can the kicked value be paid for the copies?
Epochalyptik says... #2
Yes.
The copy effect will copy all of the casting decisions made for the original spell, including whether that spell was kicked or whether an alternate cost is chosen.
Note that a kicker is an additional cost, not an alternate cost. An alternate cost is something like flashback or overload. You can only choose to pay a card's mana cost or an alternate cost, but you may pay additional costs regardless of which of those costs is chosen.
December 31, 2015 1:28 a.m.
Alright, so things like entwine also get copied too? Like in Journey of Discovery?
December 31, 2015 1:50 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
Yes.
Note that you can't choose a different option for the copy. If the entwine cost was paid for the original, the copy is also entwined. If you chose one mode rather than paying the entwine cost of the original, the copy will have the same mode; you can't change the mode.
December 31, 2015 2:02 a.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #5
702.41a
Entwine is a static ability of modal spells (see rule 700.2) that functions while the spell is on the stack. Entwine [cost] means You may choose all modes of this spell instead of just one. If you do, you pay an additional [cost]. Using the entwine ability follows the rules for choosing modes and paying additional costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2fh.
It falls under the criteria that is taken into account when copying spells, so yes, entwine would also be copied.
Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #1
Any spell or ability that creates a copy of a spell, also copies any modes, choices (including being kicked), or targets (unless stated you may choose new targets).
706.2.
When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
December 31, 2015 1:28 a.m.