Do you 'have' Energy counters if they are on a permanent you control?
Asked by Yesterday 5 years ago
I'm pretty sure this is only relevant to silver-bordered games ATM, and I'm also pretty sure the answer is no. But anyway.
If I control a Voltaic Brawler and move a charge counter onto it with a Giant Fan, would I be able to pay for its triggered ability if the only charge counter in play at that time is sitting on that creature?
AS of right now, there is no way for cards to gain counters that should be on players in black-border land.
November 28, 2018 10:30 a.m. Edited.
I would argue that you couldn't use Giant Fan to put an energy counter on Voltaic Brawler, simply because its oracle text says to move the counter "from one permanent to another." Energy counters are on players, and players aren't permanents.
November 28, 2018 4:30 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #4
Good point Kogarashi, I didn't catch that. So yeah, it looks like the answer is strongly "no".
November 28, 2018 4:43 p.m.
The Giant Fan wouldn't move an energy counter from a player onto the Voltaic Brawler, it would move any counter from any other permanent onto that creature, which would then turn into an energy counter, as that's what the printed text on the card refers to.
November 29, 2018 7 p.m.
Ah. The initial question seemed to imply you were moving an energy counter from yourself on to the Brawler. If you're moving a different kind of counter from something else onto the Brawler, then see the first answer.
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #1
The official definition of paying is "To pay , a player removes one energy counter from himself or herself", so no, not really. Players are given a lot of leeway to decide what's most "fun" when it comes to weird silver-black/white interactions that aren't fully documented, but this one seems more straightforward. Still, it's ultimately up to whoever you're playing with at the time.
November 28, 2018 9:41 a.m.