Anyone here have contacts with Sleeve producers?
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Posted on July 31, 2014, 10:15 a.m. by Rayenous
I was just thinking of a great idea for protective sleeve cover... one that lets you play a card face down, and makes it obvious that it is a "morph" creature.
Essentially like this...
...as a sleeve cover
Maybe with a different/better image.
I wouldn't know where to start if looking to get these designed/produced.
Perhaps something like these already exist?
Of course you would use them on all your cards... just like any other sleeve.
People use Token cards, and Wizards even produces and packages them... yet 99.9% of the time, using a 6 sided die is clear enough. - It's not about 'making things clear' it's about the novelty and flavour of it.
If these were on the market, I'm sure they would sell... for the duration of the KTK block anyway.
July 31, 2014 10:41 a.m.
I'm confused. You want a kind of sleeve that goes on all of your cards but somehow makes it obvious that it's a morph creature without being different than any of your other sleeves?
Use a counter, use a die, or just say "this upside-down Dragonshield is a Morph creature".
July 31, 2014 10:51 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #5
The price for a small order of custom sleeves is usually prohibitive ($35 for 80 from inkedplaymats.com). If you want bulk custom sleeves you can get 10k for $250 from some custom printer in china. I don't know the quality of either product, I just know how to use Google.
July 31, 2014 10:53 a.m.
@zandl... WAT??
I think your reading compression has gone out the window...
" It's not about 'making things clear' it's about the novelty and flavour of it."
Where in my posts are people getting the idea that you would be using this on only certain cards..? - It's the backing of the sleeve, so when you play a Morph creature face-down, you see the image from my original post... i.e: you see a Morph creature when it's a Morph creature, rather than a mono color sleeve or some other image that may be on your sleeves.
July 31, 2014 11:08 a.m.
derKochXXL says... #8
I like the idea, but I always imagined morph creatures as silhouettes in fog or shadow, or something like that...
July 31, 2014 11:18 a.m.
Your satisfaction is our infinite power to do better! _July 31, 2014 11:31 a.m.
No, my reading comprehension is just fine. However, ...
"... makes it obvious that it is a "morph" creature."
"It's not about 'making things clear' it's about the novelty and flavour of it."
July 31, 2014 11:36 a.m.
Just because it does make it more obvious, does not mean that the reason for is about making it obvious.
July 31, 2014 11:43 a.m.
I'm not certain I visualize Morph creatures in the same way you do... but as I said... maybe with a different/better image.
I would certainly not use the exact image I posted... it looks too much like a spider, and that's not how I would picture them.
July 31, 2014 11:45 a.m.
So you don't necessarily want it to be clear, but one of your qualifications for this sleeve is to make it obvious?
...
Well, when you figure out what you actually want, just use a custom sleeve site and sell them yourself if you think it'll be profitable.
July 31, 2014 11:46 a.m.
Since I've repeated "It's not about 'making things clear' it's about the novelty and flavour of it." a few times, and you still insist on thinking it's about "making it obvious" (making it obvious was a part of the description... not the purpose/intent.), I'll stick with my original response.
"I think your reading compression has gone out the window..."
July 31, 2014 11:54 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #16
So you want all of your card sleeves to be able to represent morph creatures, even though only some or none of your creatures would be morph creatures, and you can't get the same effect from just flipping over any other sleeved card because flavor. Seems legit. I would just make your image into a token so you aren't misrepresenting your whole deck. After any game that you use these sleeves, your opponents will start to think that you're running morph creatures, which can and will change their game plan if you arent running them. So basically you're trying to cheat with your sleeves because you're gaining an advantage from a resource that is technically outside of the game. Again, seems legit.
July 31, 2014 12:04 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #17
I don't see how having a morph token instead of a different sleeve back would change someone's game plan any more than running the same color of sleeves on different decks. Someone assuming morph creatures from a back is no more logical than assuming G/W Tokens from silver Dragon Shields. My G/W Tokens deck happens to be in those sleeves but that doesn't mean than anyone should assume every deck they see in them is the same.
I really don't care one way or another about the arguments, but I feel that people may be being a little harsh on a dude for thinking that having the information for the face down creature might be a good idea. MTG isn't Yugioh, face down cards have no long term meaning outside of morph creatures.
July 31, 2014 12:35 p.m.
Yeah sorry I feel like I may have started this but I didnt mean my comment in a malicious way I was just saying that I dont feel like the sleeves are necessary but I could see people using them for certsin reasons
July 31, 2014 1:48 p.m.
The Onslaught symbol of a Morph creature is sort of the 'framework' of the creature I would design to have on the image... I think this is why I don't see 'Morph' creatures as " silhouettes in fog or shadow", the way you do. My mind goes to this framework.
4-legged, crawling, lurking.... yet quite nondescript.
I wouldn't actually use the symbol, just the general body frame for designing a more 'animated' creature.
Put this onto the M15 token layout, with "Creature" in the Type line, and 2/2 in the bottom right...
Not sure yet if I would put "You may flip this card over by paying it's Morph cost" or not... might be a little more distracting than anything else... others may argue that it's a "hint" or "reminder" that is not normally available.
August 1, 2014 2:11 p.m.
derKochXXL says... #20
Yeah i thought it to be more around the lines of Scornful Egotist and Coral Trickster . But I mean the flavour for morph is really hard to capture. I think they already printed the design with Ixidron .
August 1, 2014 4:28 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #21
This. This should be a thing. I would totally sleeve a deck in these.
Also, @ThatBlueMage --- Like running running Island sleeves on a non-U deck isn't misleading at all /sarcasm... My point is that these sleeves aren't misleading. I don't assume anything about my opponent's deck based on their sleeves. If you see Morph sleeves and assume I'm actually running Morph creatures (and then play differently and lose), that's not my problem. That's all you.
@Rayenous --- I think this is a fantastic idea, and I would actually use the exact image you posted originally. It's perfect and looks really cool. If only custom sleeves didn't cost so much... On the other hand, if you buy any bulk orders, I might be interested in buying ~100 from you for ~$10 (like Dragonshields or most other good brands), assuming they hold up well.
PS: You should really buy a bunch of these.
EmblemMan says... #2
Well unless your whole deck was that it would be illegal and I dont really see that being necessary I think a card face down on the field is clear enough lol interesting idea though
July 31, 2014 10:32 a.m.