I think Elspeth, Knight-Errant is just better than new Sorin badass.

Rocknj06 would be correct. Elspeth is better.

I will be honest, SSV's first ability always has far outweighed the potential downside of him on a empty board. The amount of damage and life gain he does is with any amount of tokens helps race and win the game much more than EKR in my testing.

Elspeth is good in any situation, while sorin always runs the risk of being situational. Elspeth is definitely better than sorin.

This is where I go back and forth because I don't really believe SSV is situational. Both pump creatures, both given you tokens. The main difference is the ultimate ability. Sorin's gives me board advantage which circumnavigates protection, while Elspeth's gives the opponents removal a big middle finger lol maybe Im just not getting it, can you give me a breakdown of why Elspeth is better xzzane since you've been running this deck for much longer than I have.

Here's where the situational element comes in. If you have no field presence, an Elspeth, Knight-Errant can protect herself by adding tokens to the field while increasing her loyalty counters. Sorin's only option is to use his -2 ability, putting him into Shock range. Sorin, while amazing with a steady board presence, is still a risk. Elspeth remains a great field presence regardless of either a steady board presence or a lack thereof. It allows your Tidehollow Scullers (or Auriok Champions) to fly over a field of goyfs for potentially lethal damage due to the flying aspect. Or you can send a soldier over. Elspeth is extremely useful in both situations, while Sorin is only really good in one situation.

Very very valid, looking back my Auriok Champions did just chill unless I was facing a deck that ran red or blk. Thanks for the breakdown, this is the reason why I love this site. I had to sell my unborn child to get the two Leyline of Sanctitys haha so I might have to give a kidney for the other Elspeth

No problem, I'm always glad to help out. And I know how you feel, those leylines hurt your wallet something awful haha.

Glad xzzane jumped in with the breakdown I wasn't able to give last night due to my phone dying on me and me just wanting to get the comment in.