Sydri and Skyclave Relic copy token?
Asked by Als79c 3 years ago
If Sydri uses her activated ability to animate a token resulting from a kicked Skyclave Relic, does the token become a 3/3 artifact creature or a 0/0 that dies immediately as a state based action?
Xianling69 says... #2
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January 13, 2021 11:19 p.m.
Omniscience_is_life says... #3
All tokens have a Converted Mana Cost of 0, regardless of how they were created. The animated Relic would indeed die when state-based actions were next checked.
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January 14, 2021 4 p.m.
Tokens can have mana cost. The specific rule that states it's possible is the one that says they normally don't:
202.1b Some objects have no mana cost. This normally includes all land cards, any other cards that have no mana symbols where their mana cost would appear, tokens (unless the effect that creates them specifies otherwise), and nontraditional Magic cards. Having no mana cost represents an unpayable cost (see rule 118.6). Note that lands are played without paying any costs (see rule 305, "Lands").
So the question becomes, does Skyclave Relic specify that the tokens have a mana cost? The token is a copy of Skyclave Relic, so it has all copiable values of the original permanent as defined by the relevant rule:
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
January 14, 2021 5:04 p.m.
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Neotrup says... #1
Skyclave Relic has a casting cost of which is a capable attribute. Converted mana cost is derived from casting cost, so it has a CMC of three. It therefore becomes a 3/3 artifact creature.
January 13, 2021 1:07 a.m.