Stack question involving killing something
Asked by Valmek 11 years ago
Okay, at the pre-release last weekend I played against someone and I wondered about something he did and I'm not too sure. My opponent had a Claim of Erebos on a creature. At the end of my turn he used the ability and in response, I killed the creature it was equipped to with a kill spell I had that I can't remember. Question is, would Claim of Erebos still work even though I killed it? They said yes but I wasn't too sure. If anyone could give me the rulings on this it'd help too.
Schuesseled says... Accepted answer #2
Yes, abilities on the stack resolve independently of the source that put them there. So it doesn't matter that you killed it.
112.7a Once activated or triggered, an ability exists on the stack independently of its source. Destruction or removal of the source after that time won't affect the ability.
P.S please ask rules questions in the appropriate section. (MTG Q AND A)
April 29, 2014 7:25 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #3
If you had wanted to remove the creature without it being able to tap and hurt you, the time would have been when he cast Claim of Erebos removing the creature whilst it was still on the stack, hence it would be countered (as it has no target) and yuo would have never been in danger.
April 29, 2014 7:27 p.m.
Okay so say I have Undercity Informer , will that work just the same then, I use its ability then say someone uses Hero's Downfall on it, will I still get the mill?
April 29, 2014 8:23 p.m.
Okay so say I have Undercity Informer , will that work just the same then, I use its ability then say someone uses Hero's Downfall on it, will I still get the mill?
Yes. Abilities exist independent of the permanent that created them.
April 29, 2014 11:28 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #6
The only time an ability on the stack can be "countered" is if its intended target is no longer in existence.
For example, if you had a creature with lifelink and it has an ability to deal damage to target creature/player, if you kill the intended target with the ability on the stack then the creature's ability fizzles and doesn't do anything (unless of course there are 2 parts to the ability that happen independent of each other)
Hope this helps!
April 30, 2014 12:57 p.m.
Or... you know... with a card like Stifle or Trickbind .
Spells are countered by the game rules ("fizzle") as they start to resolve if all of their targets have been made illegal. Even if there is another "part" to the ability that doesn't involve targeting, the entire ability gets countered.
April 30, 2014 3:50 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #8
I was strictly speaking of Standard but did not specify format :)
April 30, 2014 4:28 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #9
...since he said pre-release I figured he wouldn't be seeing the older cards
Sam_I_am says... #1
Yes, he activates the ability granted by Claim of Erebos and puts it onto the stack,
after it's already on the stack, then you can respond.
It will still resolve, regardless of whether the creature or enchantment is still there or not
April 29, 2014 7:23 p.m.