Prowess, pumping and Dance of the skywise.
Asked by joeyb11223 9 years ago
Just a bit of clarification here if you will folks, I'll use a few examples...
Now as I understand it, prowess triggers before the spell resolves so...
1) Monastery Swiftspear gets Dance of the Skywise cast on it, it gains +1/+1 due to prowess, so is it a 5/5 blue spirit dragon until end turn or does it lose it's prowess boost when it transforms?
If it keeps it's prowess boost then....
2) Monastery Swiftspear has Titan's strength cast on it, it's now a 5/4 (titan's strength +3/+1 and +1/+1 from prowess). It then has Dance of the Skywise cast on it...It gets another prowess boost, so 6/5. Now it becomes a 4/4 dragon with no abilities, but the two +1's from prowess were already given to it, and the card state's the pumping from spells will still apply, so....does it become
4/4 dragon and +2/+2 from two lots of prowess, +6/+6, AND titan's strength, so +9/+7
or does it lose it's prowess boosts, and become a +7/+5 dragon?
joeyb11223 says... #2
Apologies about the lack of links, but cheers for the answer.
With that in mind, a quick related query...
If Mistfire Adept has Dance of the Skywise cast on it, does it's ability to gift flying to a creature when a noncreature spell is cast activate before it becomes a dragon with no abilities, or is it unable to grant flying to anything else before it transforms?
December 2, 2015 4:23 p.m.
merrowMania says... #3
The ability triggers when you cast the Dance, so when it resolves (and removes all abilities), the creature you want to give flying will have it. The stack is last in, first out, so the triggered ability will resolve first.
December 2, 2015 4:30 p.m. Edited.
Raging_Squiggle says... #4
Monastery Swiftspear, Dance of the Skywise, Titan's Strength
This could work if you do it correctly.
1) Cast Dance of the Skywise targeting the Swiftspear. Prowess triggers and goes on the stack on top of the Dance
2) Either in response to, or after Prowess resolves (but not after the Dance resolves), cast Titan's Strength, targeting the swiftspear which triggers another prowess on top of the Strength.
3) 2nd Prowess resolves, giving the Spear +1/+1 (Now a 2/3). Assume priority passes all the way down the stack.
4) Titan's Strength resolves, giving the Spear +3/+1 (Now 5/4). Then you scry 1.
5) If the 1st prowess has resolved already prior to casting Titan's Strength, skip this step. Otherwise, the 1st prowess resolves and another +1/+1 is given. (Now 6/5).
6) Dance of the Skywise now resolves, wiping all abilities, gives flying and base P/T of 4/4. Note the +x/+x given through prowess and Titan's Strength does not change the base P/T, they are static buffs that last until end of the turn. The base P/T is what is normally printed on the card. (Which in this case is 1/2).
7) If we count up all the static buffs, the Spear is getting +5/+3. It has a base P/T of 4/4 now so it will be a 9/7 blue Dragon Illusion with flying.
The "losing all abilities" part does make the Spear lose its prowess ability, but since it has already triggered and resolved twice, it won't "take away" the buffs that were received from it.
December 2, 2015 4:32 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #5
As for Dance of the Skywise + Mistfire Adept , the principle is the same. Casting the spell targeting the Mistfire will trigger Prowess which will go on the stack on top of the spell itself It will also trigger the second ability, allowing you to give a target creature flying until end of turn. The prowess will resolve first before the spell, giving the Mistfire a +1/+1 static buff before it loses its prowess ability until end of turn.
Note: For the sake of knowledge, if you targeted Mistfire Adept with its own ability, giving it flying before the Dance resolves, the Dance will make the Mistfire lose the flying it just gained, then give it flying again through it's own resolution. :p
December 2, 2015 4:41 p.m.
joeyb11223 says... #6
cheers guys was hoping this is how it would play out.
December 2, 2015 4:41 p.m.
joeyb11223 says... #7
ah why not, one more layer for you fine people before I'll leave this thing alone.
Let's say we've cast Titan's Strength and Dance of the Skywise on Monastery Swiftspear, if we want a bit of Temur Battle Rage, can this be cast to work correctly giving the 9/7 spirit dragon double strike? Obviously it needs to resolve after it becomes the dragon. So does one simply cast Dance of the Skywise then Titan's Strength, let them resolve, THEN cast Temur Battle Rage. Or alternatively can you cast Temur Battle Rage, then Dance of the Skywise, then Titan's Strength, and have it resolve to give you your 9/7 double strike dragon?
December 2, 2015 4:47 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
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December 2, 2015 4:47 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #9
In this case, you want the Dance of the Skywise to resolve. Because if you cast and resolve Temur Battle Rage before the Dance resolves, the Dance of the Skywise will force the Spear to lose the Double Strike (and Trample) it just gained via the effect of losing all abilities.
If you cast the Temur Battle Rage after the Dance resolves, you will be good to go with double strike and trample. However, there will be no prowess trigger.
However, if you cast everything in this order, Temur Battle Rage, Dance of the Skywise, Titan's Strength without resolving any of them, you will have a 10/8 flying beatstick with double strike and trample because Then, you will have one additional prowess trigger thanks to the Battle Rage.
December 2, 2015 4:57 p.m.
joeyb11223 says... #10
Won't I not get the third trigger though? It geta two triggers from Dance and Titan, but then surely it will lose the opportunity to actually get the +1 from Temur, as it's become a dragon without prowess? Or is it because it gets 3 +1 triggers, and although it losses prowess, the trigger to gain the +1 already occurred and is now independent of it becoming a dragon without prowess...if that makes sense?
December 2, 2015 5 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #11
Here is a copy/paste of my previously posted scenario with the added Temur Battle Rage.
1) Cast Temur Battle Rage targeting the Spear, prowess triggers and goes on the stack on top of it.
2) Either in response to the prowess, or after it resolves, but before Temur Battle Rage resolves. Cast Dance of the Skywise targeting the Swiftspear. Prowess triggers and goes on the stack on top of the Dance
3) Either in response to, or after Prowess resolves (but before the Dance resolves), cast Titan's Strength, targeting the swiftspear which triggers a third instance prowess on top of the Strength.
4) 3rd Prowess resolves, giving the Spear +1/+1 (Now a 2/3). Assume priority passes all the way down the stack.
5) Titan's Strength resolves, giving the Spear +3/+1 (Now 5/4). Then you scry 1.
6) If the 2nd prowess has resolved already prior to casting Titan's Strength, skip this step. Otherwise, the 2nd prowess resolves and another +1/+1 is given. (Now 6/5).
7) Dance of the Skywise now resolves, wiping all abilities, gives flying and base P/T of 4/4. Note the +x/+x given through prowess and Titan's Strength does not change the base P/T, they are static buffs that last until end of the turn. The base P/T is what is normally printed on the card. (Which in this case is 1/2).
8) If the 1st prowess has resolved already prior to casting Dance of the Skywise, skip this step. Otherwise, the 1st prowess resolves and a third +1/+1 is given. (Now 7/6).
9) If we count up all the static buffs, the Spear is getting +6/+4. It has a base P/T of 4/4 now so it will be a 10/8 blue Dragon Illusion with flying, double striks, and trample.
December 2, 2015 5:10 p.m.
RussischerZar says... #12
Imho the "least potential to fuck up" scenario would be the following:
1) Cast Titan's Strength and let the prowess trigger + spell resolve.
2) Cast Temur Battle Rage and let prowess trigger resolve.
3) Cast Dance of the Skywise and let prowess trigger + spell resolve.
4) Let Temur Battle Rage resolve.
The Monastery Swiftspear is now a 10/8 flying, double striking and trampling Dragon Illusion. Mind that it loses haste (and prowess) through the Dance, so if you do all this before declaring attackers, and you just cast the Swiftspear this turn, you can't attack with it and wasted a ton of cards and spells. :)
December 3, 2015 9:07 a.m.
joeyb11223 says... #13
Lol yeah that would suck, but I assume as long as I'd already declared it attacking (if this happened on the turn it came out) it losing haste doesn't stop the attack which is already underway?
December 3, 2015 3:05 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #14
Correct. Losing haste doesn't remove an attacking creature from combat if it's been declared already. Regardless of if it came into play this turn or not.
merrowMania says... #1
Please try to link all cards in your question. It makes it easier for people to help.
Once an ability triggers, it exists independently from the object that generated it. The Monastery Swiftspear will have +2/+2 from prowess, +3/+1 from Titan's Strength, and have base power and toughness 4/4 from the Dance of the Skywise. This leaves you with a 9/7 Swiftspear with flying and no other abilities until end of turn.
December 2, 2015 4:18 p.m. Edited.