MagnorCriol says... #2
As a side note, Pacifism is such a well-known and generic spell that it wasn't really important here, but you should generally link the cards you're asking about in your question. It makes it much easier to answer questions.
October 26, 2013 12:11 p.m.
Pacifism does not say enchant TARGET creature so it would still not do anything?
October 26, 2013 12:12 p.m.
Please link cards in your description
Pacifism
Gladecover Scout
for hexproof.
Usually no, but under special circumstances yes. Aura spells target when they are cast, so they cannot come in attached to an opponent's hexproof creature if you cast it. However, there are ways to put an Aura enchantment onto the battlefield without casting it (such as returning it from the graveyard with Obzedat's Aid ) and under that circumstance, you can attach it to a hexproof creature, since it does not target when it attaches, only when it is cast.
October 26, 2013 12:14 p.m.
Aura enchantments have special rules specified for them in the comprehensive rules that make them target when they are cast, despite not saying target in the description on the card. Here is the rule.
303.4a An Aura spell requires a target, which is defined by its enchant ability.
October 26, 2013 12:16 p.m.
using that rule, then raithe000 would be wrong about using Obzedat's Aid as it wouldn't matter that it's being played and not cast because it's the fact that it's enchanting something that defines it as targeting and not the casting that means it's targeting something.
October 26, 2013 10:26 p.m.
303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a players control by any means other than by resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesnt specify the object or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Auras enchant ability and any other applicable effects.
The key word in rule 303.4a is "spell". Aura permanents do not target
October 27, 2013 12:09 a.m.
@raithe000 in that rule you just gave it says that if the object to be enchanted isn't specified then that player chooses what it will enchant as the aura enters the battlefield.
In the first rule you gave it says that targeting is implied by the fact that it's enchanting something. That means by choosing what you'll enchant with the aura then you are by definition targeting. Epochalyptik or Rhadamanthus could either of you weigh in on this???
using Obzedat's Aid to return an enchantment from the graveyard to enchant a heroic creature wouldn't trigger heroic even though it targets because your playing it and not casting it, but it doesn't work with hexproof because enchanting something, by definition, is targeting. Regardless of whether or not you play it or cast it.
October 27, 2013 12:23 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
303.4a An Aura spell requires a target, which is defined by its enchant ability.
303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a players control by any means other than by resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesn't specify the object or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Auras enchant ability and any other applicable effects.
Note that 303.4a specifies that Aura spells require targets. If an Aura just enters the battlefield, it isn't a spell, and it doesn't target anything. It just becomes attached to an object it could legally enchant. Enchanting is not targeting.
October 27, 2013 12:40 a.m.
ok I must be missing something. You quoted in 303.4 that:
"The player must choose a legal object or player according to the auras ENCHANT ABILITY and any other applicable effects."
in 303.4a it says that an Aura's targeting effect is defined by it's ENCHANT ABILITY, in other words: "enchant creature" literally means, attach this to "target" creature.
so wouldn't that mean, by definition, choosing a legal object or player according the auras ENCHANT ABILITY, that you are in fact targeting it.
October 27, 2013 8:29 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #11
That's not what 303.4a means. Normally, a targeted spell tells you what a legal target is in a way like "Destroy target nonblack creature" or "...deals 3 damage to target creature or player". Auras tell you in a different way, as in "Enchant creature" or "Enchant land". 303.4a is explaining to you how to determine what a legal target for an Aura spell is.
October 27, 2013 3:04 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #12
Again, note that 303.4a explicitly states "aura spell" - it doesn't apply to non-spell auras. The "enchant X" mechanic does not inherently target anything. It only defines what a legally enchantble object is. If the aura is cast as a spell, then the aura spell targets a legally enchantable object. If the aura is put onto the battlefield by another means, then the aura merely becomes attached to an object that meets its enchanting restrictions. The latter does not involve targeting in any way.
MagnorCriol says... #1
Only if they're your own creature, or if you control a Glaring Spotlight .
Hexproof means they can't be targeted by anything an opponent controls. Pacifism (and other aura spells) all target a creature as part of casting them, so it won't work.
October 26, 2013 12:10 p.m.