Oblivion Ring and hexproof
Asked by justme 10 years ago
a friend is saying that o-ring can target hexproof because it dosnt target until its on the battlefield and when its on the battlefield its not a spell anymore.i told him he was wrong but he wont believe me. can someone clear this up for me?
The way I see it Hexproof protects from anything that "targets", regardless on whether it's on the battlefield or the stack, so Oblivion Ring wouldn't really do anything, have no legal target and remain on the board without anything exiled?
November 5, 2014 8:05 a.m.
From the rules:
702.11b "Hexproof" on a permanent means "This permanent can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control."
When Oblivion Ring enters the battlefield, it is true that it is no longer a spell. Casting Oblivion Ring in itself does not exile anything. What exiles permanents is its triggered ability, which activates when Oblivion Ring enters the field. The ability states "exile another target permanent". Because the ability still requires targets, and hexproof permanents are, by definition, not legal targets of abilities, the ability will not be able to exile them.
November 5, 2014 8:07 a.m.
dahhahm, Oblivion Ring isn't actually an aura, so that particular rule doesn't apply here. If, however, we were talking about Pacifism, then you'd be absolutely right, and you could enchant a creature with hexproof with Pacifism.
November 5, 2014 8:09 a.m.
He's wrong. Hexproof grants immunity to anything that has the word target in it.
Prison Term for example cannot initially target hexproof creatures but once it's on the field and say a hexproof creature comes into play you can move the Prison Term onto it because it's no longer "Targeting" the creature. Oblivion Ring always targets. It says so in the text.
November 5, 2014 8:10 a.m.
Yea I was wrong about it sorry about that. Oblivion Ring always targets.
November 5, 2014 8:11 a.m.
is there an edit button? I don't think the top comment should be an error like that.
November 5, 2014 8:13 a.m.
November 5, 2014 8:54 a.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #9
Funny that o-ring still hits spaghetti monster
November 5, 2014 9:42 a.m.
Why do you guys keep talking about onion rings? Lel
November 5, 2014 10:12 a.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #11
Epochalyptik isn't this supposed to be in QandA?
November 5, 2014 11:37 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #12
Not again.
Rules questions belong in the Q&A, which is linked in the header bar. I can't convert this to a Q&A thread, so I'm moving it to BE.
November 5, 2014 2:41 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #14
Not to sound harsh, but if you read any of the material in that forum, you'd know to post in the Q&A in the header bar.
dahhahm says... #1
303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a player's control by any means other than by resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesn't specify the object or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Aura's enchant ability and any other applicable effects.
If your friend is casting o-ring from his hand, he won't be legally able to target something with hexproof, but if he manages to Sun Titan an Oblivion Ring from the graveyard, the o-ring will enter the battlefield successfully and won't "target" anything. This instance will let let the oblivion ring exile a hexproof monster by bypassing the target wording.
November 5, 2014 8:04 a.m.