Necropotence, library of leng, and mind unbound would prevent draw and discard phase effects while drawing cards with mind unbound correct?
Asked by HayziekillR 10 years ago
You would skip your draw and discard phases and still draw cards during your upkeep with mind unbound. You could also put out a relinquary tower, pay let's say 18 life to put aside 18 cards and during your next turn destroy library of leng and put those 18 cards in your hand...have another copy of library of leng and play it at the beginning of your next turn....right?
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #2
Link all cards in your question.
Necropotence
Library of Leng
Mind Unbound
Reliquary Tower
Library of Leng does not cause you to skip the cleanup step (which is when discard happens). Necropotence's ability puts the cards into your hand at the beginning of the end step. Always go by the oracle text, which can be found on Gatherer. Cards are always handled according to their oracle text, regardless of their printed text.
Library of Leng's oracle text reads
You have no maximum hand size.If an effect causes you to discard a card, discard it, but you may put it on top of your library instead of into your graveyard.
Necropotence's oracle text reads
Skip your draw step.Whenever you discard a card, exile that card from your graveyard.
Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library face down. Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step.
Reliquary Tower is redundant in this scenario because of Library of Leng's newer wording. Also, Mind Unbound isn't strictly necessary. It just allows you to draw cards for free rather than pay for each of them.
I think I understand what you're getting at, though. I suspect you're going on the written text of the cards, which would suggest that you skip your discard phase (which is when Necropotence would put the cards into your hand). The oracle text clarifies that this is no longer the case. Necropotence's ability creates a delayed triggered ability that causes the cards exiled from the top of your library to be put into your hand at the beginning of your next end step. If you activate Necropotence's ability before your end step, you'll put them into your hand on the current turn's end step (assuming it's your turn). If you activate Necropotence's ability during your end step, you'll wait until your next end step to put the card(s) into your hand.
Library of Leng states that you have no maximum hand size, so you won't discard anything at the end of your turn (during the cleanup step).
As an added bonus, Library of Leng's second ability can be used to counteract Necropotence's second ability. Library of Leng's ability creates a replacement effect that allows you to discard to the top of your library rather than to your graveyard. Necropotence's ability triggers for the discards, but it won't exile the discarded cards because its ability specifies that it only looks for those cards in the graveyard (so it won't see the cards on top of your library).
January 10, 2015 5:35 a.m.
HayziekillR says... #3
Thank you. I suppose I was tryin to make it too complicated.
January 10, 2015 7:48 a.m.
hyperlocke says... #4
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erabel says... #1
Please link your cards. Use double brackets. For example, [ [ Forest ] ], without the spaces, becomes Forest.
Necropotence, Library of Leng, Reliquary Tower, Mind Unbound.
First off, the "discard phase" technically doesn't exist anymore, it's just a part of the cleanup step. Library of Leng's Oracle text says "You have no maximum hand size", just like Reliquary Tower.
Second off, you don't even need to destroy the Library in your example for this to work. Necropotence skips your draw step; it doesn't make you skip drawing cards. Since Mind Unbound triggers during your upkeep, and not your draw step, you'll still draw cards off of it. Also, if you use Necropotence's activated ability, the cards go into your hand during the end step, not during the cleanup step, so Library of Leng doesn't affect that at all.
Tl;dr: Draw all the frickin' cards you want. Just not during your draw step.
January 10, 2015 5:23 a.m.