Melira + Persist Infinite Interrupted?
Asked by spartanvi 12 years ago
My roommate built an (annoying) 'Infinite Combo Persist Pod' deck revolving around Melira, Sylvok Outcast and the persist ability. In last night's game, his board consisted of Blasting Station , Melira, Sylvok Outcast , and Kitchen Finks , then attempted to go infinite on his turn.
The moment he tapped the Blasting Station and sac'd his Kitchen Finks , I responded with an Unsummon targeting his Melira. At this point he argued that he could still infinitely add Blasting Station 's damage to the stack and therefore win when we both pass priority. I argued otherwise, in order for Blasting Station to untap and activate its ability again, a creature would have to ETB again; he pointed at his Kitchen Finks , that since it was sac'd as part of the cost to activate Blasting Station it would already have ETB. Again, I said no, that persist is a triggered ability, and would be put on the stack when Kitchen Finks hits the graveyard; the only way for the finks to come back out and untap the Blasting Station is if we both pass priority.
Am I correct in saying the stack looks like:
TOP
Unsummon targeting Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Kitchen Finks Persist trigger
Blasting Station 1 damage
BOTTOM
The reason it was so critical, was that if Kitchen Finks were allowed to come back while Melira, Sylvok Outcast was still out, the Finks would ETB without its -1/-1 allowing him to go infinite when he summons Melira again. Now that Finks has a -1/-1, its Persist ability wont trigger, so no infinite.
hunter9000 says... Accepted answer #2
You are correct. If you responded to the persist trigger, then the stack will look like what you posted, and Melira will be gone before Finks comes back, and it will get a -1/-1. If you responded to the Blasting Station activation instead, then it wouldn't work the way you want it to, because the persist trigger will go on top of your Unsummon. As long as you made it clear you were responding to the correct thing, you're good.
October 24, 2012 2:52 p.m.
It depends on exactly what you're responding to. So long as melira is gone before the kitchen finks enters the battlefield again, you're good. In the situation you outlined, you would succeed in stopping kitchen finks from creating the infinite combo.
October 24, 2012 2:55 p.m.
I do believe you are correct.
The Unsummon will resolve first, returning Melira, Sylvok Outcast to his hand. Then Kitchen Finks will return to play, but with the -1/-1 counter (triggering the Blasting Station s untag ability. Then Blasting Station will untap. Then Blasting Station will deal it's 1 damage to you.
After that (or on his next turn if it's currently yours), he can recast Melira, Sylvok Outcast , but since Kitchen Finks already has a -1/-1, sacrificing it to Blasting Station will not trigger persist.
GoblinsInc says... #1
|Yes you are correct. when he sacced the finks its persist trigger will go on the stack (well, once he finishes fully activating the station). the finks is in the graveyard until persist resolves, meaning no inifinte for him due to your unsummon.
Essentially here he's incorrect, you're correct, and you seem to have a good understanding of why.
October 24, 2012 2:48 p.m.