Manifest a God while attacking
Asked by Tenion 10 years ago
Let me say, I manifested a God Card, f.e.Cloudform and Thassa, God of the Sea.Then at the nxt turn, I declare an attack with it, as a 2/2 nameless creature, can I then manifest thassa for her mana cost 3cc and make her be a 5/5 attacking creature before damagestep?
Gatherer paga for thassa or any other god:
9/15/2013 If a God is attacking or blocking and it stops being a creature, it will be removed from combat.
Basically, if any point in time you do not have for thassa to be a creature, she is not (this is checked only on the battlefield, in all other zones she is a creature).
February 2, 2015 4:59 a.m.
Ok, the fact, that it will be removed from combat, doesnt care, if it has been declared as an attacker or not. It just works with enough devotion.
PS:I got curious and red, that if you lose devotion while attacking with a god, but still able to get the devotion back, f.e. with a flash permanent spell, its still removed from combat in the first place.
thx for the replies
February 2, 2015 5:32 a.m.
Angel_Of_Deathx666 says... #4
@Tenion Unless you flash the permanent in, in response to the spell or the ability that would lower your devotion that is... So for example... If I were to flash in a Dictate of Kruphix in response to a Hero's Downfall targeting my Frostburn Weird, with an attacking Thassa... My Dictate would enter the battlefield first and my devotion would never drop below 5 as long as no other responses were made... Just a thought :)
February 3, 2015 2:20 p.m.
@Angel_Of_Deathx666
ah, yes, thats right...while on stack you can handle this out like that...:D
February 4, 2015 2:57 a.m.
But since it is manifested it is a 2/2 creature. so you pay its man's cost then flip, then it checks the state based effect for devotion. I may be wrong but you should be able to flip even if you don't have the devotion, then after the flip it reverts to a legendary enchantment-god. Can anyone site a rule for manifest and this?
March 21, 2015 9:46 p.m.
701.31b Any time you have priority, you may turn a manifested permanent you control face up. This is a special action that doesn't use the stack (see rule 115.2b). To do this, show all players that the card representing that permanent is a creature card and what its mana cost is, pay that cost, then turn the permanent face up. The effect defining its characteristics while it was face down ends, and it regains its normal characteristics. If the card representing that permanent isn't a creature card or doesn't have a mana cost, it can't be turned face up this way.
So by this the only requirement to flip the card is that the card itself reads a supertype of creature.
The part detailing this is: "...the card representing that permanent is a [creature card]..."
It says creature card, which means the value on the card, not on the battlefield if that makes sense
March 22, 2015 4:55 a.m.
Oh forgot to mention, once those conditions are met to flip the manifested card, then the normal rules for the creature would apply, in which case is a god card and would check the Devotion values and apply that result.
DJSeras says... Accepted answer #1
Not unless the conditions to make Thassa, God of the Sea a creature are met (Devotion being five), otherwise she will stop being a creature when you turn her over
I apologize for not noting the actual rule number but I could not locate it, but I believe this rule suffices.
If a God is attacking or blocking and it stops being a creature, it will be removed from combat.
February 2, 2015 4:44 a.m.