If I put two Champion of the Parish on the board at the same time...
Asked by D.Novitzky 12 years ago
Do they both get the +1/+1 counter or do they both come in with no counters.
Short answer, you can't cast both simultaneously. So one would come in counter-less and the other with a +1/+1 counter.
You can't cast both at the exact same time because of how the stack and casting works. You can play one, let it resolve, then play the other, but not both simultaneously. Even if you could, the two wouldn't resolve in time to gain the counters anyway.
March 27, 2013 11:55 a.m.
D.Novitzky says... #3
That's part of the question. Do they resolve simultaneously, or one after the other?
March 27, 2013 11:56 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
That's irrelevant. Let's say they were both played via Genesis Wave or returned to the battlefield via Angel of Glory's Rise .
They both get one +1/+1 counter. Whenever multiple permanents enter or leave the battlefield simultaneously, they all see each other entering or leaving. Abilities will trigger accordingly, so each Champion of the Parish 's ability will trigger for the other Champion of the Parish .
March 27, 2013 11:57 a.m.
One after the other. As far as I know, no two spells can resolve simultaneously. Even instants go on top of the stack and don't resolve until no further spells have been cast.
March 27, 2013 11:57 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #6
The first part of my answer (#4) was directed at post #1.
If you cast them as spells, they obviously resolve separately. However, if a spell or ability causes them to be put onto the battlefield simultaneously, they are, well, put onto the battlefield simultaneously.
March 27, 2013 11:58 a.m.
Actually, Epochalyptik is right if you're asking about spells like Genesis Wave .
March 27, 2013 11:59 a.m.
D.Novitzky says... #8
Like I said, mostly due to me being a new player, was actually about if I cast both, but I forgot about the stack.
But you did give me insight as to how other things work, which is appreciated!
March 27, 2013 12:02 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #9
It's difficult to decipher what exactly you're doing to get them onto the battlefield, D.Novitzky. I'll answer for both possible scenarios:
You cast Champion of the Parish . It resolves. You cast another Champion of the Parish (you can't cast both simultaneously because creature spells can only be cast during your main phase when the stack is empty, and you can't resolve two spells simultaneously). It resolves. When the second Champion of the Parish enters the battlefield, the first one's ability triggers. The end result is the first Champion of the Parish has one +1/+1 counter and the second Champion of the Parish has no counters.
You resolve the triggered ability of Angel of Glory's Rise , causing two Champion of the Parish cards to be returned from your graveyard to the battlefield. Or you do something else that would cause two Champion of the Parish cards (not spells) to be put onto the battlefield simultaneously. Both see each other entering and each one's ability triggers for the other. The end result is both Champion of the Parish es get one +1/+1 counter.
March 27, 2013 12:04 p.m.
maskedtoaste39 says... #10
@Epochalyptik Thanks for the clarification. I'm assuming Immortal Servitude acts in the same way as Genesis Wave and Angel of Glory's Rise ?
April 26, 2013 7:02 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
Yes. Because Immortal Servitude doesn't specify an order in which the affected cards change zones, the changes happen simultaneously.
MagnaLynx21 says... #1
I'd love to know how your putting them into play at the same time...
March 27, 2013 11:53 a.m.